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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 12:32 PM   
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I want what my fellow Spektrum flyers have - ONE RADIO - that binds to every plane they have.

I am always amazed at how many people want ONE radio. What is wrong with having 4 or 5 - or 12?

My brother once had one radio. Then if broke and was in the shop for two months - July and August. He missed the best part of the flying season because he had ONE radio

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 12:59 PM   
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I want what my fellow Spektrum flyers have - ONE RADIO - that binds to every plane they have.

I am always amazed at how many people want ONE radio. What is wrong with having 4 or 5 - or 12?

My brother once had one radio. Then if broke and was in the shop for two months - July and August. He missed the best part of the flying season because he had ONE radio

I usually have a backup transmitter in case I have to send the primary in for service. It can also serve as a Buddy Box if you want to teach someone. When I was tested for my Turbine Wavier, the instructor insisted upon me having a Master and Slave radio. Both radios needed to be 9 channel so I could operate Wheel Brakes and Speed Brakes and handle various mixes.

Other than that, there is no reason to haul around multiple transmitters and maintain the batteries in all of them.

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 1:03 PM   
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Other than that, there is no reason to haul around multiple transmitters and maintain the batteries in all of them.

That's like saying, "Other than that there's no reason to wear a seatbelt"

As long as there's a reason... There's a reason. And there are more than ONE good reason


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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 1:10 PM   
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Other than that, there is no reason to haul around multiple transmitters and maintain the batteries in all of them.

That's like saying, ''Other than that there's no reason to wear a seatbelt''

As long as there's a reason... There's a reason. And there are more than ONE good reason


With all the model memories that most modern transmitters have, there is no reason to have multiple transmitters. I have been flying for many years and I do not know many pilots who use multiple transmitters anymore.

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 1:12 PM   
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Until their only one craps out. Or they need a buddy box. Or until they want to check whether a problem is in a transmitter or receiver. Or...

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 1:31 PM   
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Until their only one craps out. Or they need a buddy box. Or until they want to check whether a problem is in a transmitter or receiver. Or...

If your point is that everyone should consider having a Backup Tx, I have no problem with that. Whenever you fly an aircraft, you take a risk. The wind, the sky, the terrain, etc.. There is also a risk that you may drop your Tx and have to send it back for repair.

You make it sound like everyone should have several transmitters. If I purchase a Futaba 18Mz, at $2500, I don't think I am going to buy a second one just to have a backup. The same would be true for a $1000 transmitter. A six channel transmitter is not going to let me fly many of my aircraft.

When I decide to Upgrade my radio, I will keep the old one as a backup, but I tend to fly all my aircraft with the same transmitter and so do many others I know.

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 1:37 PM   
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Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with flying all of your planes with one transmitter. But there IS something wrong with thinking that one transmitter is all you should ever need or want.

Most of my planes need at least 6 channels, but if I had a problem with my main Tx, I can still fly many of my other planes with a 4-channel radio (or fly the regulars with one of my OTHER 6-channel radios)

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 1:47 PM   
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Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with flying all of your planes with one transmitter. But there IS something wrong with thinking that one transmitter is all you should ever need or want.

Most of my planes need at least 6 channels, but if I had a problem with my main Tx, I can still fly many of my other planes with a 4-channel radio (or fly the regulars with one of my OTHER 6-channel radios)

I can agree with that logic.

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 2:34 PM   
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That's one of the good thing's about being a member of a club. There is alway's someone else with the same brand radio. I have three radio's. Currently useing 2.4 the other two are FM. One day at the field mine seemed to be acting weird. A fellow club member let me use his to check thing's out rather than drive all the way home. Everything was fine, it was just me. Don't recommend doing this, everything had to be programmed in his radio to match mine. PITA   Point is One serves my purpose. If it took a crapper today I'd have another one tomorrow.


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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 2:57 PM   
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I have two matched radios because I fly competition.  I have all my planes in both.   By changing moduleseither can fly 72, DSM2 or FASST.  If I got an Anylink module I could fly that too.   I like flexibility.


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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 3:47 PM   
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I have two radios, and agree that it's handy to have a backup. I managed to max out the memories on the Futaba 8UHP, so bought a 9CHPS to take up the load. With the Campac module, I can swap aircraft between the two. Very handy! Because both use modules, I can swap from 72 mhz, Futaba 2.4 or Spektrum 2.4.



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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 9:51 PM   
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$3000 FOR A 8J....

you need to change hobby shop buddy..
I think I can get 10 x8J for that price a start a Rc school for economically disadvantaged children




Sure doesn't look like the 8J will do what I want, so I'd have to buy an 18MZ at this point - which I ain't gonna do.

And, as to the one radio thing, sure I have quite a few radios right now, but exactly how does a "backup" radio help if my main radio is FASST and the backup is FHSS?

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 10:05 PM   
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As I said, if my main radio broke, I could fly some of my OTHER planes with a different radio. At least I haven't lost a whole season of flying if my radio is gone for a month or two

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/3/2012 11:43 PM   
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By having matched radios, you reduce the chance that one will ever fail. Well, at least according to Murphy's law
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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 12:04 AM   
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$3000 FOR A 8J....

 
you need to change hobby shop buddy..
I think I can get 10 x8J for that price a start a Rc school for economically disadvantaged children




Sure doesn't look like the 8J will do what I want, so I'd have to buy an 18MZ at this point - which I ain't gonna do.

And, as to the one radio thing, sure I have quite a few radios right now, but exactly how does a "backup" radio help if my main radio is FASST and the backup is FHSS?


Not advocating this but since you asked.

If you have two radios, one FAAST and one FHSS you can choose what price level receiver you want to put in each plane along wtih what radio capability is needed.

If the FASST quits and you need to send it in you fly the planes that are on the FHSS radio.

If you have some key planes that you always want to fly, or that you fly in competition then you set them up on both and keep a spare receiver so you can swap.  The lesser radio might not have all the features BUT you can certainly fly the plane.   You can fly almost any 6 servo plane on a standard 4 channel radio if you want.  So a 6 channel computer radio, even a limited one, should be able to fly almost anything if you plan for it.



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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 1:43 AM   
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Thay are !! but thay are just now coming out with them !! Not like one of the BNF hobby makers, who takes preorders & may or maynot deliver several months later !!

I bought a used 10x last summer, with hopes of going to 2.4 with a modual & 2.4 RX in a couple of Giant Warbirds that I have spent MANY hours scratch building !

I found a new 9 ch modual on here and bought it b4 I bought some 9 ch Rxs. About the time I installed it in my Jug the new DSMX came out !! I had just bought almost 800.00 $ worth of equipment, when lo & behold I found out JR was having problems with thier DSM2 !! Then I find out I cant get a DSMX Modual for the 10x as it was being discontinued !! Was almost ready to buy a 12x when the 11x comes out !! Had been preaching JR to a good friend for years. He buys a 12x and puts it in a Carden 42% only to watch it go ape sh*t on the first flight !! Just damn lucky he got it down in one peice !! He calls horizon and they tell him to send it in for repair !! WRONG ANSWER !! He sent it back and someone else bought it as a new radio I bet !! JR advertised no problems with their DSM2, over 100 on at one time !! Then at Joe Nall BOOM all kind of problems !! I dont go to the Nall but !! I do go to flyins where at least 100 or more register and lord knows how many are out in the parking lot/ camp grounds selling !! No wonder Mike whent on a long harley ride !! now Ive got one hell of a BNF radio BUT Today took the cake !! I tried for an hour on the phone to place an order, It took them over 4 hours to call me back & the BNF Mig & spitfire MAY BE out by april !!

GOOD RIDDINS HORIZON & JR !!! Bought an A9 & 7 rxs for less than 3 DSM2s

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 2:31 AM   
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$3000 FOR A 8J....

 
you need to change hobby shop buddy..
I think I can get 10 x8J for that price a start a Rc school for economically disadvantaged children




Sure doesn't look like the 8J will do what I want, so I'd have to buy an 18MZ at this point - which I ain't gonna do.

And, as to the one radio thing, sure I have quite a few radios right now, but exactly how does a ''backup'' radio help if my main radio is FASST and the backup is FHSS?


Not advocating this but since you asked.

If you have two radios, one FAAST and one FHSS you can choose what price level receiver you want to put in each plane along wtih what radio capability is needed.

If the FASST quits and you need to send it in you fly the planes that are on the FHSS radio.

If you have some key planes that you always want to fly, or that you fly in competition then you set them up on both and keep a spare receiver so you can swap.  The lesser radio might not have all the features BUT you can certainly fly the plane.   You can fly almost any 6 servo plane on a standard 4 channel radio if you want.  So a 6 channel computer radio, even a limited one, should be able to fly almost anything if you plan for it.



I have a 7C and 6EX now. The 6EX is 72 mhz, and I will only fly small stuff or trainers on it. My 7C is flawless (knock on wood!), so at this point I wouldn't want to fly anything over a .40 trainer without it. The 72 mhz glitches fairly regularly at our field.

I can't see FHSS giving me that much confidence. I have some big planes as well, that I take every precaution (I know of) when I fly them. So, if or when the 7C goes on the blitz, I'm going to be flying Parkzone level stuff until it gets fixed or replaced.

I sure would like something like the 8FG that did the FHSS as well, really, so I don't have to buy TWO more radios. If Futaba doesn't come through, then I'd rather have a Spektrum or a JR as my backup then another FASST only Futaba. It seems like one of those could cover both bases of something to bind to the quick fix airplanes (Parkzone/Flyzone) and something to use as a backup with rx swaps as you suggest.

If Spektrum can do, then surely Futaba can figure it out as well.


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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 3:03 AM   
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There is a key point you are missing here.

Spektrum does not make BnF planes, Parkzone does.   HobbyZone does.   Other HH brands do.  They USE spektrum technology but they don't make the planes.

Futaba does not make planes.   So they are not about to make BnF planes.


So your real question is, " Why isn't Hobbico, Great Planes, ..... making BnF type planes  using FASST receivers.  Answer, too expensive and they could only be flown with Futaba/Hitec radios as that is all the FASST modules would fit. 

So Hobbico comes out with AnyLink which works with any Futaba, Hitec, JR or Spektrum radio.  The receivers are about 40% of the price of the FASST receivers and about 1/3 less than FHSS receivers.  And they work with a wide range of radios based on the AnyLink module.

You ain't gonna see no BnF type planes based on FASST or Futaba FHSS.  Get an AnyLink module and fly the TX-R planes.  Or get a Spektrum module for your module radios and fly the BnFs too.   For a plane that is made for flying less than 1000 feet away, if it is reliable,  the AnyLink module should work fine.



 




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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 9:43 AM   
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So your real question is, " Why isn't Hobbico, Great Planes, ..... making BnF type planes  using FASST receivers.  Answer, too expensive and they could only be flown with Futaba/Hitec radios as that is all the FASST modules would fit. 


Here's GP and Flyzone FTR planes, sounds like more to come:

http://www.tx-ready.com/txr-airplanes.html

Note that they are FHSS, not FASST.

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 11:52 AM   
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Friends don't let friends buy Futaba.

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Well, I'm glad I did not include Futaba in my comment about ''discriminating''.  Apparently it wants to ''discriminate'' against JR, Hitec and AIRTRONICS (yes there are those who prefer Airtronics, if only because AIR is in the name ).

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 12:08 PM   
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Why is that, because of the lack of thrills from brownouts?   

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 1:01 PM   
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Why Futaba along with Great Planes, Hobbico etc does not offer models with the BNF specs??? I know that they are offering some RX-R models but it will be easier to just BNF like the other brand.......

Have you considered asking them rather than get speculative answers from people who are not associated with the company? Do you often ask other people what another person thinks, or does?

But if it's too much for a person to look at the model showing on the transmitter screen to make sure it's the same model they are about to fly, then they should not be flying planes in the first place, and I suppose those would be the same people who ask someone what someone else is doing.

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Quite possibly the stupidest comment todate.

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But if it's too much for a person to look at the model showing on the transmitter screen to make sure it's the same model they are about to fly, then they should not be flying planes in the first place, and I suppose those would be the same people who ask someone what someone else is doing.



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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 1:13 PM   
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Perhaps Hobbico will develop a Futaba linked series of models such as the Bind n Fly
The present arrangenments offered are not at all the same thing

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RE: Why Futaba does not offer BNF????? - 2/4/2012 1:58 PM   
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There is a key point you are missing here.

Spektrum does not make BnF planes, Parkzone does.   HobbyZone does.   Other HH brands do.  They USE spektrum technology but they don't make the planes.

Futaba does not make planes.   So they are not about to make BnF planes.


So your real question is, '' Why isn't Hobbico, Great Planes, ..... making BnF type planes  using FASST receivers.  Answer, too expensive and they could only be flown with Futaba/Hitec radios as that is all the FASST modules would fit. 

So Hobbico comes out with AnyLink which works with any Futaba, Hitec, JR or Spektrum radio.  The receivers are about 40% of the price of the FASST receivers and about 1/3 less than FHSS receivers.  And they work with a wide range of radios based on the AnyLink module.

You ain't gonna see no BnF type planes based on FASST or Futaba FHSS.  Get an AnyLink module and fly the TX-R planes.  Or get a Spektrum module for your module radios and fly the BnFs too.   For a plane that is made for flying less than 1000 feet away, if it is reliable,  the AnyLink module should work fine.
 




I'm not missing that point. That's exactly why I want Futaba to release a dual mode radio (or three modes? 'cause AnyLink seems like yet another standard). Hobbico could make it happen, and allowing Futaba to put Tactics style transmission on their high end radios is hardly competition for the Tactics brand.


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