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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/2/2012 8:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thats funny, all the photos I have that are clear enough show tapes on the the ailerons and elevator, and reinforcing tapes around the perimeters of all the surfaces...the trailing edges have the fabric top and bottom sewn together around the T/E wire, then taped over. There is tape around the elevator horns too, in fact anywhere there is a cut in the fabric. The aileron hinges show that very clearly, at least on the photos I have. The upper cutouts in the centre section for the aileron horn show the same thing...The edge lifting thing is taken care of by the 'frayed edge' prep that was used before pinking became popular, but then you all knew that...
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/3/2012 3:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I found a few pictures where there is no evidence of tapes on the elevators, although it looks like they were on the ailerons. I think further research is indicated.

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/3/2012 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, I will try to get a good clear scan of the photos I have, though my docs are limited. I think you can see the elevator rib tapes on the third photo you just uploaded. Seems strange, does it not, that you would tie the fabric to the aileron and not the elevator? Given that the elevator chord is so much greater...I think that the lozenge tapes tend to blend with the covering, and the photos of the period tend to be less than clear, making it appear that the tapes are missing, not that they are not applied. Similarly there are a couple of photos from low angle showing, again quite clearly, that some of these had, what appears, to have plain fabric on the underside of the wings...
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/3/2012 5:23 AM   
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Yep, I will try to get a good clear scan of the photos I have, though my docs are limited. I think you can see the elevator rib tapes on the third photo you just uploaded. Seems strange, does it not, that you would tie the fabric to the aileron and not the elevator? Given that the elevator chord is so much greater...I think that the lozenge tapes tend to blend with the covering, and the photos of the period tend to be less than clear, making it appear that the tapes are missing, not that they are not applied. Similarly there are a couple of photos from low angle showing, again quite clearly, that some of these had, what appears, to have plain fabric on the underside of the wings...
It's all such fun, innit!
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Thanks, I would appreciate any photos you have. I only have the Profile Pub. and a PDF file of the Windsock datafile, not the actual copy.

I just read some posts by Dan San Abbott who was one of the respected historians on The Aerodrome forum and he stated in one of them that the early D.IIIs had the light colored lozenge on top and plain linen on the bottoms, so that would fit with your last statement.

I know what you mean about having tapes on the ailerons and not on the wide-chorded elevator. It doesn't really make sense.


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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/3/2012 10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some scans that show elevator and aileron tapes. The centre section one shows the x-sect of the upper wing cutout and the hole on the windscreen, and the reason for it. The D111 with plain fabric undersurfaces also shows the 'dirtying' with castor staining on the upper wing. The lower cross on all D111 and IV seems to be situated right at the tip. The rudder seems to be the only surface not taped, and it seems to use a coarse cord instead.
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/5/2012 8:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I forgot the best 'source data' on this forum...Alan Flowers museum DIII, built right here. If you have a look at his rib and perimeter tapes you will get the idea. I have a feeling that SSW would follow the same covering processes as any other manufacturer of the time, Idflieg would have had a pretty tight set of rules covering (!) the whole process, I doubt that SSW could bend the rules much. Anyway, Easter Friday has dawned almost flat calm and sunny, despite the forecast, so I'm off to thrash the air over the local field, and teach the thing a bit more about flying...
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/6/2012 2:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just back, lovely day and 4 more flights. The thing is a great fun model, aerobatic enough to do a sort of 'airshow display' and with enough foibles to keep the interest up. My landings are getting better, no turnovers yet, and a couple straight enough for the scale judges. The rest were typical SSW. Nothing undoing or vibrating, the ST muffler exhausting under the fuselage means that there is no oil on anything other than a few spots on the UC axle wing. Checked weight and wing area gives me a loading of 13 oz/sqft. Wouldn't want it much more, and the noise it makes coming out of the bottom of a low loop with engine back at idle is quite impressive. With my cruise trim now set, power makes it climb, idle makes it descend, all without any re-trimming, just as it should. Pays to set a high idle for landing though, it helps keep a flow over the rudder and landings are much easier with a bit of wind. So, what's next?
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/6/2012 5:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Evan,

Do you have any in-flight pics? I'd love to see some. BTW, I did make some more rib tapes and applied them to the elevator and ailerons. I have to admit it looks better to me. It ties it in more with the wings and makes the model look more complete.

When I installed the aileron servos and extensions in the wings I found I didn't have any Y connectors or another receiver, so I had to order those. Once i get them i can get more serious about making this thing flight ready!

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/6/2012 7:12 PM   
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I can't wait for this flying season!
My GTM D VII is going to look like a stretched limo in the air next to you! LOL!
Your plane looks soo sweet.....
Dont mix-it up with Jeff until I get a couple of in- flight photos of our planes in the air.....
You know how of out of control you guys can get! ....


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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/6/2012 9:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Someone was pointing a long circular black thing at it, so when I find out who it was and where the images he took are, I might be able to post some in flight stuff. I don't have any of my own, so it would be good to have one or two, I guess. I'm going out again today, without the SSW to do some pattern practise for a comp coming up next week. If he's there again I'll ask, cause I didn't think to yesterday...Oh, and don't forget the perimeter tapes!
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/11/2012 5:28 AM   
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Jim,
I can't wait for this flying season!
My GTM D VII is going to look like a stretched limo in the air next to you! LOL!
Your plane looks soo sweet.....
Dont mix-it up with Jeff until I get a couple of in- flight photos of our planes in the air.....
You know how of out of control you guys can get! ....


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Yes, this season is going to be interesting!

I think the "beast" is ready for some engine test runs in the back yard. Unfortunately, the weather turned rotten and it actually snowed today.

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/14/2012 9:43 PM   
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/14/2012 11:02 PM   
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/15/2012 1:36 PM   
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Congradulations on a job well done, looks great in the air! Now the question is "what do you build next?"

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/16/2012 4:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't get over to this forum often, but glad I did today! Wow!! Jim, your Seimens is looking great, and with Evan providing all of that inspiration, it's just a matter of time..

Really nice work, the both of you!!

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/17/2012 1:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Next? Well, I gotta finish the dummy engine, spinner and pilot for this, then there's two Simla and a 1/6 Ju88G to finish...Then I might start to think about what's next...
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/18/2012 4:56 AM   
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That looks really nice in the air!

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/18/2012 8:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well thank you! It was really nice air...We are all waiting to see yours doing the thing, mine is a poor effort compared to yours. It will be interesting to see what visible difference the two sets of documentation make.
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/24/2012 11:16 PM   
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/25/2012 3:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good to see some more progress Jim, I thought it'd be flying by now...Just to stir you along, our ANZAC day today (Vets commemoration) so I had just the airplane for it.
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/25/2012 1:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Evan, how's the roll authority? With 4 ailerons I would expect it to be effective. It looks real good. It really needs a spinner though.
Jim those April showers will ebb soon and you'll be able to go fly it.
FYI Aileron throw on the big N28 is 29 degrees up 19 down.

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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/25/2012 3:57 PM   
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 4/25/2012 6:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair the ailerons on my model are not good, 'adequate' would be my feeling. 360 deg takes around 4 seconds which for a model is pretty slow, but the rate of turn, once bank angle is established, is high, almost pylon racer stuff. The roll is much better done as a 'snap'. That said, the ailerons are a good directional control, and positive in feel. The model does 'roll into' the turn, and you need to relax aileron as you add elevator. Elevator and rudder are very effective.
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 5/1/2012 12:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally found some time to get back on my SSW, Yours looks fantastic Jim, I can't wait to see it in person.
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RE: Siemens-Schuckert D.III 1/3 Scale - 5/1/2012 12:18 AM   
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