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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/1/2011 1:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Patrick, you got it bang on the head ! And it's not so much the money part
that you spend, it's the "emotional debt" that a guy mentioned on
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Weather is good so far this morning.
Been waiting all week for the rain to stop, so
today should be fun.
Still charging batteries, got started on them a little late yesterday.



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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/8/2011 1:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I am still flying the nexstar and so far with Charly olgendoefer helping me I have done some takeoffs, alot of flying and no landings yet
becasue there has been alot of wind.
Cut the big field Saturday and ran the spad, but didn't do much else, winds were 17 mph plus.
So doing sim for orientation and have alot of flying around time, and the plane is still in one piece, or 2 pieces if you figure the
wing does come off.
So, we are not going to fly the spad at the little field because there are too many houses around and I don't need that stress right now.
I am dieing to see the spad fly, and I know
charly can handle her, but so far we haven't been to the big field, but practicing here at the little field.
There has been alot of wind lately which I guess is a good thing but i havent been landing because the gusts are tossing the nexstar around like
in some cases 5-10 feet dips and soars and she is a bear to land.
So that's my update for today !!



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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/9/2011 1:20 AM   
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Thanks for the update.
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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/11/2011 12:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		So added another bird to the flock, a sport stick 40 I got off the universe, that has some tail damage that I noticed
after I got it. Didn't notice that the tail had been cracked until I got most of the electronics in.
Real fun flier which is the stik type like the spad.
So did some flying on it saturday and although I like flying with the group, I'm wanting to get to the big field to
be less distracted. Too many houses around the field.



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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/18/2011 3:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess the full moon got me doing crazy stuff.

2 flights by myself.

She flew straight down the runway, hardly used any rudder.
I got a used Sport stik and she pulls to the left bad, the spad doesn't at all
So I was surprised by that because I was expecting a pull to the left and it didn't happen.
I stood behind her to take off, since nobody was at the big field.
Let her run a long time down the runway and once the tail came up I knew she would fly so
gave a little elevator and up she went.

First flight was hairy. she was tipping to the right, used a little trim but it was still bad.
There is where the sim helped alot, because I have gotten used to trimming while practicing on the sim.
As far as real model flight and the spad on the sim, almost no help having used the sim.
I let the plane climb alot which was a problem, the brown top wing is very hard to see.
She got pretty far out and I turned her back and was fighting the tipping all the way back.
Tried not to panic, because the tip was bad, trimmed and flew a few passes and then did two slow passes
to see if I could line her up with the runway, the third slow pass I cut the throttle and she was lined up good so I put her down.
So landing one was good and smooth and got her down right about where I was, and I was real drained.


Before the second flight I used sub-trim to get the left aileron straight, and then some in flight trim
and it was better.
Still have to do the setup to get the aileron straight, don't like so much sub trim.

So, it was strange flying the spad finally, especially alone.




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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/18/2011 2:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		WOOHOOOOO!!!  Congratulations!    Glad it flew ok for you.  I think you're right to adjust the physical and not use so much sub-trim.  We all know that "drained" feeling.... as soon as you set her down you let out that big "woosh" of air you've been holding for half the flight.  LOL  Too bad no one was there to give you a pat on the back.  Be super careful out there by yourself.  Happy spadding!

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/18/2011 3:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was a total wreck but it was like a super high. Great feeling, wish i could figure a way to bottle it and sell it !!


I was covered with gas because I was priming and priming and forgot to
hook the ignition back up, i always disconnect two servo attachments on the ignition to be safe,
so i connected the battery but forgot to connect to the ignition module.
Then had to tune her again because she hasn't run in a long time.
then got the camera on the tripod for flight one got the spad running ran over to the camera, ran back to the plane,
(arm is so sore from hand starting today it feels like a log), finally flew.
I was covered with bug repellent, some kind of eucalyptis stuff that was running into my eyes, which was bad becasue i put my contacts in to
fly with now, and my eyes were hurting from the contacts and the eucapytis was running with the sweat down into my eyes.
Then I go look at the camera and she says memory card full after i landed.
So get the old camcorder out get it set up,
I didn't want to fly again but now i knew i would have to get somthing on video
so same drill over again with the camera, wind shifted so now i'm having to
setup on the other runway and move all my stuff.
Second take off on tape and some low passes i did so i estimated where the camera was filming and i got some low
passes and the landing.
I am working on figuring out how to get it on youtube.
Found a card and connector so try to get the tape up as soon as possible.



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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/19/2011 2:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the video, not the most exciting.

http://www.youtube.com/user/JStolarski#p/a/u/0/pG7ccUHFUB8


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/19/2011 3:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congratulations!! Like most of mine, it was a little while coming, but I hope it was worth it to you. Good luck, you are on your way to becoming hopelessly caught up in this hobby.

Sincerely,

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/20/2011 2:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Building, flying something that's made from scratch is a feeling that the RTF and ARF fliers will never experience.
The spad is different than a conventional balsa scratchbuild, and it's sign material, scavenged parts, hardware store,
blood, frustration all rolled into one strange and magical crazy flying machine.
I guess you can call it the chitty chitty bang bang of rc, for anybody that remembers the movie.


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/21/2011 1:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Congrats on a successful maiden flight

There is no better feeling than seeing something You have built from scratch take to the air and fly.

Now You need to build a 46 size SpadStick

Coro/Spads are addicting.

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/22/2011 2:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Arrrrgh, landing gear collapse again, spent hours re-resseting up plane is tipping so bad to right.
Redid all the aileron linkages and with almost all trim plus sub trim she was barely flyable,
only flew pretty much in circles .
4 flights and landings to day, then landing caught in what I can only describe as an anthill that collapsed or something,
and at the end of the field I was trying to avoid but cut too much throttle, hard land then gear folded a little.
gear was catching on the 3rd flight and then 4th . not much damage and prop hit sideways so it didn't break off, but the gear
is just terrible. When I saw it catch I should have packed up.
the good landings I don't have filmed but that one I did film, go figure.

I'll post it after I finish crying  .

Oh, real important for those of you with bad eyesight, I put my contaacts in to fly now and have 3 diffrent tint safety goggles.
blue morning or noon to 1pm, light brown midday to about 4pm, yellow 5pm , and no matter what glasses

***********DON'T MAKE A SPAD WITH A BROWN TOP WING.**********

I'll never use brown again, and I think I'll just sparypaint it yellow, did some stripes on it and it didn't help at all.

Use blue and yellow coroplast maybe all yellow with blue stipes or vice versa.


I think a 46 size spad would be a good idea Mr Gspeed.
I was even thinking about a Zagi wing until I tried one on Realflight I'm a glutton for punishment but i know my limits.

Flew the stik like 6 times today last 2 landings were so smooth so I see how fast
the stik has to be to land and it's pretty fast.

I have found a plane that I was told to get to practice on, an Arrow trainer.
So, I believe that I have to sell either the Nexstar or the Super Sport Stik which is a hot plane, flies nice, and I
have landed it, but I feel better maybe taking a step back and beating the trainers, so
if anybody can help me sell them I would appreciate it, because I really would like to get the Arrow
and i'm in a between jobs mode right now, and I have a garageful of my daughter stuff and I'm running out of places
to put the planes where they won't get damaged.


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/22/2011 2:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JoelStolarski

...I guess you can call it the chitty chitty bang bang of rc, for anybody that remembers the movie.



Yes to your comments about building from your own design or from other plans and having to innovate a lot of the pieces to get them to work together and then actually fly it. I just can't get that feeling from an ARF.

Just saw the Chitty Bang Bang car on "Chasing Classic Cars" the other night. They actually drove it around a road and explained all the bits and their origins. I did not know it was a real drivable car ubntil then.

Sincerely, Richard

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/22/2011 1:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's wing on straight edge if someone has an idea.
Villa, had said the gear would fail, and to use somthing
different , so any ideas there and where to get the metal.
I tried to find the special aluminum 6160 or whatever
it was called, when I was out of town and couldn't find anybody selling it.


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/22/2011 7:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is that the position the ailerons and flaps are in when the RX is on and they're neutral?  Looks like just that right flap over there would be enough to make the plane roll to the right.  Are the ailerons both reflexed the same amount relative to the fuse?  Sorry to hear about the LG.  Maybe you can make some wire ones like on the picture of the original USS on STTB.  Maybe that would flex more and not bend and hold up better.  Good luck with the rebuild!

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/22/2011 7:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see in the pic here that your LG is pretty long.  I know it's got to be to clear your prop, but it's going to take a pretty smooth landing on a pretty smooth field to keep that from bending.  The way *I* fly and where I fly, I would bend that every time I landed.  LOL  Also, out of curiosity in that picture there, your yardsticks are sticking out of both ends of the wing..... are they still like that or did you cut them off?  I guess that would only create drag but it *could* make the plane fly squirrely I guess.  You might want to cut those off if you haven't.

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/23/2011 3:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		The flap on the right side is the little wing extender, and I noticed it too when I took the picture.
i'll see how iI can straighten it.
The landing gear is high and I guess I could drop it a bit as long as I stay with a 17 inch prop.
It had bent once first flight when it collapsed then I saw it flex on one landing then the last time it really caught hard so
maybe the metal had fatiqued by then.
I been reading about how to work 6160 T6 aluminum which is used on full size aircraft,
it is heated to bend then I'm not sure once it's bent do you reheat it or let it sit.
one site says you heat it then let it sit for 4-5 days and it retempers itself.
another site says you have to retemper.
Other option I saw some carbon fiber with a height of 9 inch and it says suitable for 100cc
airplane but the seller says he doesn't have that size yet it's listed in another auction of his as in stock.
cgi.ebay.com/Carbon-fiber-landing-gear-Extra300-50cc-airplanes-/220772764266


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/23/2011 3:21 PM   
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www.youtube.com/watch


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/23/2011 4:53 PM   
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That soft aluminum is next to worthless for a landing gear. I suffered with it also. I have forgotten how heavy your plane turned out to be. Dubro makes a great fiber landing gear that Tower Hobbies sells for about $15.00, their # LXNM65. I use it on my 8# CoroCub and had it on my 7.5# Coro Canard before I totaled it recently on a telephone pole. In about 5 years of flying, the gear never failed. It is advertised as suitable for a .61 plane. I gave up on big planes myself. To me, big planes means big problems. I don't have the room for them anymore. Keep up the good work.

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/24/2011 2:32 AM   
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Looks like from the video that the plane came in pretty hard, Try to "flare" more and bleed off speed before set down. I too have a USS and am using 1'4" X 1" aluminum bar stock for my landing gear. I'll try to find a picture of it, it holds up nicely.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/gallery/galleryItem.cfm?itemID=16419&dummy=8470.766695011715&opener=/community/profile.cfm%3Fsection%3Dgallery%26memid%3D16901


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/25/2011 1:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Villa, you're right about size, the spad does take up some room.
But, it really is fun to fly or will be as soon as I figure out how to get that warp out of the right wing,
since that is pretty likey to be what is causing the roll.

I looked at the video a couple of times more and it's really possible
that I came in too steep.
I read about something called the Kleine Fogelman wing alteration can that be added to a wing?


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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/25/2011 11:53 AM   
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Alright, so I have glasses again after 15ish years of corrected vision. Really was getting bad. I couldn't fly my smallish Flipper as it would get out of view too quick. 1/2A projects are reserved for CL where they'll only be 20-30 feet away. I'll know more about my glasses improved vision later this year but along with needing it for gardening, I bought a big truck to haul planes with. Great decision with 5 dollar gas right around the corner. Oh well, I commute on my 45 mpg motorcycle.

Did you try some flaps with that landing? Seemed a little abrupt and I've seen USS float in. Also, on the planes to get rid of and to keep? Sell the Nexstar and later this summer fold a SpadStick or DPS up. If you build the PDS give the wing 4 extra inches span and stretch the fuse behind the wing 4 inches. Leave the nose long to balance. Doesn't fly much hotter then a trainer. Good all purpose beater.

Course you could fold a similar SSStick too. There is nothing short of a powered parachute then a light, straight Balsa trainer.

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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/26/2011 4:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clean, try contacts.
I've just figured out how to get them out easier, you soak eyes with rewetting fluid, 2 minutes later slide to white and there
easy to get out.

Plus the contacts don't make the planes look small like the glasses.

I use the contacts to fly plus there is a glasses called hdvision I think Charlie mentioned and they work
great I tried his and everything looks real clear and bright.

I flew the s out of the nexstar most good landings a couple of bouncers but not as bad as last week, so
if she'll hold together then I'm happy so far.
Trying to scrabble some money from ebay sales to get the Arrow which is driving me nuts because
she is ready to be shipped and the guy is holding it for me, and I can't wait to get it.


I flew alot yesterday did a whole bunch of landings in alot of wind, did 2 loops with the sport stick then
did some straight climbs and then dropped the sticks left stick to corner and right stick to corner
almost got a nice inverted flat spin, did all this
and at landing I had bled off all airspeed on the stik she was coming in so smooth that I was
all giddy seeing it, and then it went from 10mmph wind to nothing in what was like seconds and the sport stik i have don't have much glide and down she come
splat.

Got gear back on and she'll be ready to go in a couple of days, but I guess I was not thinking after doing a bunch of crazy maneuvers and
what's nice is I didn;t lose orientation at all during the crazy stuff but here she is all lined up nice to land and in one shot she's splatted.







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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/26/2011 5:20 PM   
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RE: Ultra Spad Stik 4 mil wing? - 4/27/2011 5:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agghhhh !  Red no way.

I can barely see the sport stik which is all red.
With a new pair of safety glasses I got at Walmart in the optical center I
am able to see the sport stik from about 10 am to about 3pm.
They were $4.97 which is cheap and they work btter than a couple I tried from Lowe's that were alot more money.

They have a light brown tint and the stik almost looks bright red depending if I fly it with the
sun at my back.

I have 3 sets of goggles and swap them out and sort have figured what colors work at what time of the day.

Wish I had the ability and wasn't nervous about having it done.
When I'm working I work in a dirty oily dusty environment at times and I get alot
of stuff in my eyes even with goggles and side shields.

Hey thanks again for the flap explanation, now I got to figure how to reprogram the radio
and take out what's set in there and reduce the flap angle.
As it is now it's got max flaps at the 3rd postion on the 3 way switch.
I hate to start over on the programming becasue it's set good for flying, trims are good and all that.





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