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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 8/18/2012 2:49 AM   
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I have a Saito 1.80 I was going to put into a Seagull 83'' AT-6. However after reading this thread I am wondering if the DLE 20 might be a better choice. My only concern is that I won't have enough power in the the plane. Keeping in mind that scale aircraft fly diferent than sport models. The idea of not having slime on the plane for a change after flying is really appealing.

Does the DLE 20 come out of the box ready to run or due you have a lot of tweeking and tuning before it is ready? The idea of not having to fool around with finicky engines is also something I am hoping is part of the move up to gas versus glow.


They'll need to be dialed in just like a nitro engine does when you first get it. It's not particularly difficult, though it is different. Once done though, you should find them pretty stable. Like lawn equipment (string trimmers, leaf blowers, etc.)?

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 8/19/2012 1:19 AM   
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Hi Guys,
Well today, I managed to get three flights on my Big Stick... : ) I started out using a JXF 17x6 prop and was getting a little more then 8000 rpm. The model flew great...right out of the box and I only needed a couple of clicks of right aileron and she was flying very nice. The vertical was some thing to witness...for it went vertical as fast as it went straight and level. Take offs were a non issue...and it was airborn in less then 1/3 throttle. The first take off roll was in 8~10kts of wind, and it was rock solid and I didn't hit full throttle until I pointed the nose vertical. Landings are so simple it almost lands itself, but Ugly Sticks are known for this and why I have always had a soft spot for these models. No engine issues and this RGC 20cc engine purred. On the third flight I switched to a Xoar 17x6 from the JXF. I now managed to get a solid 8600 RPM and a real kick in the butt in performance. I was astounded at the improvement in power and vertical presintation. WOW...hot dog...this model smokes... : ) The 17x6 Xoar plain wood prop is the prop for me and this airframe/engine combination.

I placed two thin washers on the left side of my engine mount to give me a little right thrust...and this worked out almost perfect for me.

9lbs. x 16 oz. = 144 oz.
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This model is almost a glider and has a real light wing loading. This model has more wing area then all the other Ugly Sticks made for 20cc engines...! It will glide well but in winds it acted more like a biplane then a monoplane. Not much penitration in 10+ not winds, but the longer landing gear and Robart wheels made landings easy. The winds started out at less then 10 kts. but ended up at 18kts with gusts to 24kts+. Yet the model handled it quit well and if fact, was so solid in the air, I must have done more then 20 touch and goes. in the three flights I had (even in the higher winds). The winds were gusty too, but no problem for me. Yes...I'm an old Ugly Stick flyer and I've built and flown a couple of dozen Ugly Sticks in my time, but this one really has power...real power. A 15cc gaser would be more then enough engine for this model...and the 20cc gas engine makes this model a monster... : )

This model has a 66.5" wing span and at 9#'s the heavest Ugly Stick I've ever assembled. I didn't reinforce my fire wall, but so far...no issues with this...but I'm checking every flight, both the fire wall and the tail section where my repair was made.

I added a fuel dot last night and my last modification to the model.

She flys folks...boy does she fly.

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Bobby of Maui

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 8/20/2012 4:27 PM   
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Where did you get the tailwheel assem.

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Hay Jim and RCPlanman,
I made several mods to my model and one needed beef up to the tail. First I put in a hatch forward of the leading edge of the wing (on top), this was to get access to that part of the nose, to put in my electronic ignition, throttle servo and on/off switch. I used aircraft grade plywood for my hatch cover, for the balsa was way to soft for my liking. Next I installed the landing gear from the Big Stick gas powered model, the 80" version (cost under $20.00 at Tower), for good prop clearence, using 17" props. Your going to need to do this or use other longer landing gear legs then the .60~.90 version gives you in the kit. I made mine a tail dragger...so I installed a heavyer type tail wheel assy, and installed a 1/4" lite ply floor from the foward bulkhead where the front of the wing plugs into, to almost the center wing bulkhead...as a doubler for added strength. My fuel tank is under the wing, right on the CG...240cc-this will give you 15+ minutes of flight. I also used a DuBro anti-vibration engine mount, the 1.20 size...but I'm not sure this was a good idea. I will use a standard engine mount the next time...for this beast vibrates quite a bit. I used 4" wheels and I always install large wheels on my models, due to the trade winds we get here at our flying field. I used Robart scale wheels, with the foam inserts. I like Robart wheels, because they grip the black top the best...much better then any foam tires I've ever tried and they last much longer then the foam type. Both elevator and rudder servo's were placed aft near the tail, one on each side with a 1/8" light ply plate, to support the servo's. I also used 4/40 wires for control rods for all controls.

I side mounted the engine, and a home made exit pipe out of one 3/4" copper pipe 90 deg. elbo and a short piece of pipe, for exhaust exit under the model. I had to cut the exhaust exit pipe first, then clamped the extention onto my engine exhaust. I do not like inverted engines...hit hard once and you will cause damage to your engine head and spark plug, so I just side mounted my engine, just like I mount my glow engines. Worked like a charm... : )

I test ran my engine first, with the wing off the model. DO NOT DO THIS...always run the engine with the wing attached. I formed one long crack on the tail, right forward of the leading edge of the stab, up both sides to the exit holes for the control rods-the kit had soft balsa in this area, to soft for all the shaking a two stroke gas engine makes. I needed to make a repair here with Slow Cure CA and 1/64th. quality plywood. I also installed bracing wires on the tail.

I also installed two drain holes, using eyelets, on the fuel tank floor. If I ever develope a leak to my fuel tank, the fuel will flow out here and not fuel soak the model. I also CA'd the inside of my model with thin CA, to fuel proof and make the soft balsa used to build my model more strong.

The model has a huge wing and even with all the mods and 20cc engine the model came out to a little over 9#'s. I made no mods to the wing...its a stout wing and with nearly 1000 sq. inches, lots of lift here. I am using flaperons on my model too...good for real short take offs and landings.

I hope this helps you guys...and I'm still waiting to maiden my model. The winds have been way to high to fly...so waiting for a good day to test fly.

Soft Landings Always,
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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 8/20/2012 5:16 PM   
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plaurence,
Tower sells the tail wheel assy. in three different sizes and work great.
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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 9/29/2012 9:06 PM   
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BOB Paris, Just catching up on this thread. I'm building a 82 in.Bridi Stick w/lite ply sides, put out by Blue Jay Airplane kits Co. Beautiful wood for $ 125.oo. Making the wings about 10 in shorter & will put a 20cc Aero Vate in it. New engine ,not enen broken in yet. Think I'll go w/ STD color layoutseems simple enought
Bob, That tri motor stick looks great-how did it fly.?

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 9/29/2012 11:53 PM   
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Bob, great mod you made to your exhaust system on preceeding page.

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 9/30/2012 8:46 PM   
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Hay Plurence,
I bought my simi scale tail wheel assy. at tower. DuBro makes (simi scale tail wheel assy.) them in three sizes and I used the smallest size, for better prop clearence and it has worked great. They are strong...almost unbreakable and very durable.

One very important thing I didn't state in my eariler posts...always...always set your elevator push-rod to PULL for up. Look at my photos...the servo PULLS FOR UP.

I built my first ugly stick so that the elevator servo pushed for up...but in high speed pull outs...the push for up...flexed the control rod so much...I crashed that model. So....rig your elevator servo to Pull for UP.

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 9/30/2012 8:57 PM   
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Hay RCPlanman,
That three engine ugly stick flew great. It was very fast with three .32's...very, very fast. It came out nose heavy...very nose heavy, and I had to mount everything as far aft as possible, to include making a receiver battery hatch as far aft as possible...a 5 cell 2400 ma. unit. I also had a problem getting it slow enough to land! With three 9x5 props it was a rocket ship...and I ended up going with three bladed props and that slowed it down enough to land...but not as fast. Fast was awesome...so I went with 6 oz. tanks in the wings...and an 8 oz. in the fuse. When the wing engines ran out of fuel, I landed on the center engine...but it took full power on the center engine to keep the beast airborn. With the center engine out...it flew ok too...and landed much more easily, with its landing speed much slower then with all three turning.

Its dimize came with a faulty Tx...and I ended up loosing three models before I realized I had a real issue with my 10G Tx from Airtonics (loss of bind with -1 receivers). I went on line and found my Tx was in a group of Tx's that had a bad RF board and needed it replaced (serial number of my Tx fell into the group that needed replacement RF boards). Airtronics fixed it for free and since...no problems with the 10G and the Tx I fly my new gas powered Ugly Stick with. I've been flying Airtronics gear for over 25 yeasrs and this was the first issue I have had with any of their products.

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 9/30/2012 11:55 PM   
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Bobby of Maul, I kinda thought that your "Tri motor Stick" might be both a little nose heavy AND very FAST. I'll bet that got the old heart pumping away.Isn't this hobby a great place for us large kids to play with our toys.?

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 10/5/2012 7:34 PM   
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Has anyone tried this plane from BH Hobbies?

http://www.hobbypeople.net/index.php/bh-harmon-rocket-75-20cc-gas-arf.html

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 10/5/2012 7:49 PM   
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the specs looks like it's suited for the DLE20. but what i didnt like is the mounting of the engine. I would look alot better if the engine was installed with the cylinder head at the bottom. I would also install a pitts muffler to get a nice clean finish on your canopy


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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 10/5/2012 8:20 PM   
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Yes, that does look like a nice combo.....

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 10/15/2012 12:00 AM   
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Hi George;

    My son and I both have this ARF and were contemplating using a DLE20.  Any chance of getting some pics on the install for the engine etc.?  I was going to put a smoke sys. in and was wondering about wgt. etc.

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 11/22/2012 10:41 AM   
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I just found this thread and will look through it in much more detail, but thought I would toss this up for feedback.

I am building a Don Smith B24 Liberator.  I was planning on doing electric, but long story short, I have changed my mind again.  I am now considering, and have pretty much locked into, putting in four DLE20s.  Has anyone heard or seen that done yet?  Pros/cons?

Greatly appreciated.

Andy


Hey Andy,
I stopped working on my Don Smith B-24 Liberator which I bought last year and I have a friend who is helping me with it now.
I am using 4 x DLE20's...
I am also a student pilot, working abroad and that is taking up all my spare time at the moment...

Hope this helps.
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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 11/22/2012 5:32 PM   
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I don't understand to what degree the firewall needs to be reinforced on some planes when mounting a DLE20. Are we talking about replaceing the triangular stock with hardwood and larger ? Or is plywood added to the fuselsge sides as well ?

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 11/22/2012 6:27 PM   
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That all depends on the plane.  If you can get in there and have sufficient triangle stock already in place, take some fiberglass cloth that can cover the stock and at least an inch on each side, and epoxy that in place, and that shold be plenty to hold is, and if the firewall is under 1/4" plywood, adding an additional layer wont hurt.  The biggest thing I found is to make it solid enough so the vibrations cant loosen it. No need to over engineer it either unless you oare mounting it to a plane that is meant for a smaller engine.


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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 11/23/2012 12:39 AM  1 votes
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Hi Guys,
I've put a RGC (DLE knock-off) 20 cc engine in a Big Stick .60~.90 airframe. Now with 58 flights on the model, I've not had any problems with the fire wall...and its un-modified. I did have an issue with the fuse. just forward and even with the tail feathers. A crack formed all around the fuse accept for the top piece of balsa...and that is all that was holding the model together! I beefed it up with a bit of 1/64" ply, on all sides and no problems since. I also braced the rudder and stab together with 4/40 flying wires. I had my engine mounted on a DuBro anti-vibration mount, side mounting the engine. The lower metal engine mount cracked, after 55 flights. I've been told that using anti-vibration mounts on two stroke gas engines may not be the best way to go...but to be honest...this is my first gas model and so far things seem to be working ok.

I did have the DLE electronic tack go south on me, at the same time the mount cracked, and I just replaced it and will send the bad unit back to Troy Built models and see if its a faulty unit, or a vibration failure.

I contacted DuBro, and they sent me a replacement right side anti-vibration engine mount, rubber snubbers and mounting washers...free of charge...Thanks Dubro.

I started out using 17x6 Xoar props and they turned out to be the best. I am now using Master Air Screw 16x8 "S" series props, and these are more robust and don't crack as easy as the Xoar's do. The M.A. props are 1/3 the cost of wood Xoar and have about 95% of the performance. I'm getting right at 8.9K to 9.0K with the M.A. props...and a bit more with the Xoar.

It took me a while to understand how to tune the carb, but once I figured it out (with lots of help here on line), have it dialed in and a very dependable engine so far. The RGC starts easy (hand starts too), gives lots of power and takes a 9# model vertical with a vengence.

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 11/23/2012 1:47 AM   
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Regarding the firewall, I think if it's got tri stock in place I'd just make sure everything was glued well by going over every joint in the fuse from the wing's trailing edge forward using thin CA. If I'm still concerned, I'll pin the firewall to the sides. That's served me well on the 20 and 30cc planes I've flown/am flying. -Al

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 11/23/2012 7:00 PM   
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Have my dle 20 in my top flite corsair .60 size with  15x7   3 blade master airscrew prop no power drop offs flys great

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still flying my DLE 20 on H9 Pulse 125 and tried a 15/7 MA three bladed prop - works great!!!!

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Hi Guys,
I've put a RGC (DLE knock-off) 20 cc engine in a Big Stick .60~.90 airframe. Now with 58 flights on the model, I've not had any problems with the fire wall...and its un-modified. I did have an issue with the fuse. just forward and even with the tail feathers. A crack formed all around the fuse accept for the top piece of balsa...and that is all that was holding the model together! I beefed it up with a bit of 1/64" ply, on all sides and no problems since.
Bobby of Maui


I heard thats common on the big stick, no matter what the power on it is.



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Never thought I would be able to have this plane with gas engine,a wish turned real,wanted it since 2007 when started!

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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 1/23/2013 10:13 PM   
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I've installed it on my Yak 54 120 from Nitro Planes. It has around 69" wing span. I have not been able to weigh it.



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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 2/1/2013 5:50 PM   
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a Phoenix Edge 540, 65" WS, 9.5 lbs after adding 8 oz nose weight. Flies well, a decent ARF for the price and a good fit for the DLE



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RE: What Aircraft are you installing your DLE20 - 2/2/2013 2:21 AM   
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I JUST GOT THE WORLD MODELS ZERO 60 I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ON THE ENGINE I SHOULD GO WITH? DLE 20,YS 110 OR YS 120 I HAVE ALL THREE? PLEASE HELP

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