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PharmacyGirl -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/5/2003 8:11:32 AM)

Hi. I am kinda new here at this forum. Wow, it is HUGE!! I have already posted twice in the wrong place. hmmmmm.... where is my head these days? Anyways, I am looking for some info on where I may find a new RC helicopter. I crashed two of my concepts in the past and I have parts from them, but I could not for the life of me get them back together. :0( Any info would be great! Thanks! :o)




Jim C. -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/5/2003 8:35:27 AM)

cyberheli has a good stock of helis.. see if you can find a dealer that sells hirobo brand.. and pick yourself up a sceadu 50 they come with all sorts of upgrades now and are well worth the money. sorry i cant really give ya any links. maybe later on i can dig some up.




FLYBOY -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/5/2003 8:50:36 AM)

heliproz.com

Look at the raptor 30. It is a great little heli, and parts are pretty inexpensive. Great heli to learn on, and then some. Does pretty good 3D too.




Helirat -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/5/2003 10:27:23 AM)

http://www.ronlund.com/index.html

http://www.heliproz.com/




rpat -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/5/2003 6:28:22 PM)

Pharmacygirl,
Where in west virginia do you live? I am from Weirton.
Rich




DustOffUH1 -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/5/2003 8:40:39 PM)

http://centuryheli.com/
Century Helicopter products. They've been very, very good to me :)
Tha Hawk Sport is inexpensive also. And the crash kits aren't to expensive either. Also, you can check out the classifieds here and on runryder. I got lucky and found a nice used Hawk Sport all ready to fly. Plus the guy lives in IL too and told me I could call him anytime. He's helped me out already. So I know I didn't get ripped. my .02 :D




WRXlovr -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/6/2003 10:58:25 AM)

eh hawk sucks get a sceadu




Jim C. -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/6/2003 11:25:19 AM)

[QUOTE]eh hawk sucks get a sceadu[/QUOTE] no!!! tell us how you REALLY feel!!! lol i dont know about that.. my buddy has a hawk sport altho small, it is pretty nice.




PharmacyGirl -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/6/2003 11:33:16 AM)

that hummingbird heli really flips around. i wonder if it is hard to fly?




DustOffUH1 -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/6/2003 6:36:30 PM)

[QUOTE]eh hawk sucks get a sceadu[/QUOTE]
Ita ALL personnal opinion. Thats whats great about America :D




CyberPilot -> Hawk Sport is great (8/6/2003 7:41:31 PM)

I love my Hawk Sport. I think it's a great beginner heli. However, it sounds like you're past the beginner phase. The Hawk will take you into mild 3D as well.

If you have parts from 2 Concepts maybe you want to stick with that. You'll have some spares. If you want to try to rebuild from the 2 crashed ones you might find the manuals on Kyosho's web site.

[URL=http://www.kyosho.com/manuals/index.html]Kyosho Manuals[/URL]

If you want to get away from the Concept you may ask what others are flying or selling in your area. Here the Raptor is very popular, although I don't have one, most of my heli buddies do and the local shops carry parts.

Hope this helps and Good luck,
C.P.




rpat -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/6/2003 9:45:38 PM)

ok I guess that yo don't live in West Virginia!




dreamhobbies -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/7/2003 1:32:22 AM)

Throw some KSJ paddles on, remove the flybar weights, and put some carbon blades on the Hawk Sport, and it will be more than just a mild 3d helicopter.

Regards - Steve




CyberPilot -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/7/2003 1:39:00 AM)

[QUOTE]Dreamhobbies wrote:
Throw some KSJ paddles on, remove the flybar weights, and put some carbon blades on the Hawk Sport, and it will be more than just a mild 3d helicopter.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Steve.

I, myself, am not there yet (almost) but this is good to know. I didn't want to forward info that I didn't know for sure.


C.P.




dreamhobbies -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/7/2003 1:46:24 AM)

You're welcome C.P.
I'm planning on having a nice 3d video made to show the capabilities of the Hawk Sport. I'll post it here when it is available. I'll just have to bug my buddy to work the camera :)




dreamhobbies -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/7/2003 1:54:16 AM)

Now to address the original topic. The Sceadu, Raptor30, and Hawk are all good helicopters. The Sceadu is a little more expensive to maintain that the Raptor, and the Raptor is a little more expensive to maintain than the Hawk Sport.
My advice as all the others would say, fly whatever the pilots at your field fly (within reason) so that you can get help from pilots who know the machine well.

Regards - Steve




FLYBOY -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/7/2003 2:21:01 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PharmacyGirl
that hummingbird heli really flips around. i wonder if it is hard to fly? [/QUOTE]

They are all hard to fly, till you learn how. Noone can just pick one up and fly it, noone.

What is your skill level? Seems we are all talking about trainer helis to you. Are you looking for a trainer or something way out there?




eddie13231 -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/9/2003 10:27:00 AM)

The hawk is a piece don't get it.




raptor_dude -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/9/2003 4:50:06 PM)

[QUOTE]eh hawk sucks get a sceadu[/QUOTE]

LOL I agree about the hawk sucking, the sceadu is a nice machine but I prefer the raptor for 3D over any 30 class heli I've flown so far.

Colin




Bluto -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/9/2003 8:55:25 PM)

My Hawk Sport took a lot of tweaking and a lot of upgrades to make it what I would call an ok beginner helicopter, my Raptors all flew great from the start. My Hawk sport had a bad tail wagg and even blew the tail gears out on the second tank while I was trying to get it all sorted out. This is when you will find out that the Hawk isn't that great of a deal, the replacement parts are not that much cheaper than a Raptor and some are more. I've had problems with the collective being a bit sticky due to not having thrust bearings in the main blade grips, the tail rotor blade grips are very sloppy as they only use one radial bearing per grip. I ended up putting over $100 in upgrades on my Hawk Sport and it still doesn't fly that great, I keep it around for my Brother in-law to fly when he comes to visit, the plan is to sell off the good parts after the first bad crash.

Here's the weak points

Wire Driven tail rotor (It will work ok but can be a pain for a beginner to set up, you can convert it to a torque tube drive for $50) My tail wagg was due to the stock gyro location, I made a platform and mounted it behind the main shaft, now its pretty solid.

No thrust bearings in the main grips (this really isn't a huge problem for a beginner, as long as you run the head speed around 1500 rpm in hover and don't go over 1700 max you'll be ok) I like to run a little higher head speed for 3D flying and the extra force exerted on the bearings causes them to bind a little, the fix is a high torque servo on the collective and even then its still a little sluggish under a load. They have a $40 upgrade to add thrust bearings.

Single radial bearings in the tail rotor blade grips (this could cause some problems for a beginner trying to get the tail setup) again they sell an upgraded version not sure of cost.

There are several other minor things that I don't like about the Hawk Sport but I don't have time to list them all. I'll just say this, if you want a 50 sized helicopter get a Sceadu 50 or Raptor 50, if you want a 30 sized helicopter get a Raptor 30, the Sceadu 30 is a great helicopter its just a little heavy.




EC120 -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/9/2003 11:26:30 PM)

Id say a sceadu is cheaper to maintain and a raptor is cheaper to fix after a crash. I have had both with a 50 engine. 30 size is about the same kit.




Florian Uhlemann -> I need a new RC Helicopter!! (8/10/2003 8:37:24 AM)

Hey PharmacyGirl,

I just got myself a Raptor 50V2 and i am very happy with this one already. The TT engine is so good, before running it in it feels perfectly made.

And its a very good price for the Raptor 50 with engine. 370$

nitro and gas prowered helis are cheaper when you buy them but cost more while you use em.
electric helis are more expensive at the time you buy em, but just cost some electricity while running em...

But i still would take an nitro Raptor because its made very simple and good. thos parts have a very good quality...

greetz
florian




syclic -> What heli? (8/11/2003 11:49:52 AM)

Every heli has its' strengths and weaknesses.

One should look at the hei as a number of systems.

The Hawk is $100.00 less then the Rap30 and a lot less then the Sceado 30. In their price range it would be more fair to use the Hawk SE (unfortunately now discontinued, awaiting the release of the Falcon 30...so I was informed by Heli-World).

On a thirty size heli (a heli that swings 550mm blades of from 95 to 115 grams, at rotor speeds up to 1800 for extreme 3D) thrust bearings are not a requirement (as they are with 600mm blades or larger of 140 grams plus). Ditto for the single bearing tail blade and wire-in-tube T/R system.

Wire-in-tube drive? Why we used it for years on 60's, and did all kinds of 3D with them. The difference is in how you set the gyros. that is why they have adjustments on them. In fact a local fellow rips up the sky with a lot of pretty extreme 3D with a Raven that is torque-tube equipped and another that he has repaired with the old Falcon 46 wire drive system. He does the same backwards and piro stuff with both, just sets the gyros differently. But he does admit that he can crank up the speed through the backwards stuff more with the torque tube system.... but the same is true of the torque-tube system relative to a belt drive system.

But what is important (specially for a beginner) are:
1 - the ease of building and setting up. Here the Hawk excells with a great instruction manual, a clutch/fan system that requires no critical alignment or balancing, a start system that also does not require alignment, a tail drive system that does not require belt tension adjustments (mind you it still requires a proper location of a sensitive gyro).

2 - dependability and reliability - A beginner wants a heli that runs a long time without having to replace worn or failed parts. Here is another plus for the inexpensive Hawk.
a)It has a clutch system that has all three pieces (clutch, clutch bell & fan) attached directly to the engine's crankshaft. So no alignment between clutch and bell is required to insure the clutch shoes are not flexed during every revolution, thus causing premature failure of the clutch.
b)The bearings supporting the clutch bell STOP turning after the clutch engages, unlike the others that have these bearings start to turn at the HIGH rpm of the engine once engaged. This leads to higher clutch bearing failure rates on the others.

3 - A rotor head that is dynamically stable enough that it is not critical of blades used. A rotor head that can accept any blade without woofing or fluttering. Here again the inexpensive Hawk X-Cells (pun intended) :) Because it has the same proven head design of the MinAir X-Cells. Furies, some of the Schluter and Robbe helis and Predator etc.

4 - A control system that does not require the purchase of higher priced servos to help control collective pitch instabilities in the rotor head.

5 - A cooling system that is the most efficient in the industry. This allows the beginner to get away with a lot of needle mis-setting without damaging the engine.

6 - It comes with a high volume one-piece muffler that does not leak or fall apart....though there are other after market ones that are more quiet.

7 - The $100.00 saved relative to the price of the others, can be spent on items far more important then the heli. e.g. a better radio or gyro system. These will stay with the purchaser long after he has graduated to a 50 or 60.

These are the reasons I recommend it to newbies in our area. It will take you from hover training to 3D training at a very attractive price...and it will take a lickin' and just keep on tickin' :)




CyberPilot -> Hawk Sport works Great! (8/11/2003 7:19:06 PM)

I was a beginner 4 months ago and never built a heli. The Hawk Sport was my 1st (and only) heli. I did get the $22 bearing upgrade and a header tank but my friends that fly Raptors also bought a header tank.

Anyway, I followed the instructions for building it and never had any problems. I have the stock wire tail, works great. I'm doing fast forward flight, piros, stall turns, fig 8s, FF piros. No problems.

I have one friend that keeps telling me that my Hawk is junk even though he's never owned one and never flown one. But every time we go out to the field I get to fly...... serveral times his Raptor justs sits there or he's working on it because it's having problems.

I won't say that Raptors are bad because I'm only a beginner, I don't own one and never flown one but I do own and Hawk and I think it's great!


Good luck in what ever you decide,
C.P.




FLYBOY -> Re: Hawk Sport works Great! (8/11/2003 9:05:04 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CyberPilot
I have one friend that keeps telling me that my Hawk is junk even though he's never owned one and never flown one. But every time we go out to the field I get to fly...... serveral times his Raptor justs sits there or he's working on it because it's having problems.

I won't say that Raptors are bad because I'm only a beginner, I don't own one and never flown one but I do own and Hawk and I think it's great!
[/QUOTE]

It is not the helis fault. Maybe your friend should get some help. We have a few raptors here and they are maint free for the most part. If someone is having trouble with a raptor, he needs help with setup. Every bird takes time to get setup right, but that shouldn't take long. They give you all the info in the book to set them up, and they are pretty easy to get in the air.




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