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shinbones -> Magpie 50 wing & undercarriage (8/5/2003 12:29 PM)

Has anyone built the Magpie 50 with fixed retracts? I'm wondering if you reckon it's necessary to install the supplied wheel-wells? Personally I'd rather not cut the monokote & leave the wells out.... but I'm a bit worried about leaving such a large un-sheeted surface so close to the leading edge. Any thoughts?




sigrun -> Magpie 50 wing & undercarriage (8/6/2003 6:50 AM)

Hi shinbone

Presumably you mean 'the supplied fixed gear' rather than "fixed retracts"? I'll presume you do.

The answer to your question is no, you don't install the pre-formed wheel wells unless you intend to install retracts. That's why they supply them as an option rather than fitted.

Just cut as necessary to fit the fixed gear, however a word of caution here from those who precede you. Unusually, the Magpie fixed gear mounts on a narrow platform and is epoxied in place rather than using the more usual lateral locating beam and screw/strap method. Once its in place, it can't be removed to bend and adjust rake, and to suggest bending it in situ is structurally risky is understatement. By now, I'm sure you appreciate how lightly built the Magpie is.

The other Magpie owners I have spoken with have discovered after the fact that the wheels sit too far aft, inciting the Magpie to tip on its nose which is exacerbated when a heavier engine than suggested is installed. Can I suggest it wise that you trial fit the gear arms and bend them forward so that the actual wheels sit at least an inch forward of their current location? I have a similar planform model (Phoenix Comet), and it came with the gear locating the wheels significantly forward of where the Magpie's are located which seems to balance and work perfectly.

Of course I am reporting second hand, as I don't actually own the Magpie. But there are now a couple of them in the club of which I've had lengthy observation and conversations with the owners about their build idiosyncrasies and flying characteristics. Gear mounting appears to be a point of weakness and poor design on all three of the CM Pro F3A series. (Magpie, Lark & Swallow EX)

I haven't received my Lark yet. It's on backorder. Model Engines (Farnan) can't supply. I was tossing up whether to go with the Swallow EX instead, but wanted to ensure I had an adequate powerplant for verticals. The fact that almost everyone who initially mounted a 2st 60 or 4 st 90 appear to be re-engineeering the SwallowEX with a larger engine ($$$) frightened me off it. I noted also its relatively heavy spec weight and thought I'd be conservative going instead with the Lark for which I already have engine flexibility. Perhaps everyone else has too, and that's why the Lark is in an "unable to supply" situation? :)

All the best for your Magpie. They fly impressively and are particularly attractive in the air with their distinctive colour scheme and shape.

Hope the above is of some assistance.




shinbones -> thanks (8/6/2003 12:21 PM)

Yeah Sigrun... I meant fixed gear - not retracts.... dunno what I was thinking there! :rolleyes:

I thought the wheel-wells probably shouldn't be fitted... but it was nice to hear someone who's seen the model fly agree.

Thanks for the suggestion re: bending the u/c forward.... will do. I've fitted the fixed gear as per the instructions... which entails epoxying the smallish u/c mount blocks to surprisingly thin pieces of ply, then using 2.6 x 12mm scews to hold the assembly to the wing. Initially I was surprised to see that, according to the instructions, the whole assembly is not epoxied to the wing- as it doesn't seem like a very sturdy setup.... but then I figured that it's probably designed to give-way in case of a very heavy landing..... thus possibly preventing major structural damage to the wing. Does that sound reasonable? Or do you think I should epoxy the whole u/c assembly to the wing?

The Magpie is very close to being finished, btw, but I have a 2-week wait until I can back to work to retrieve my transmitter :(. I also have a header & tuned pipe out there that may well make their way back to town & into the magpie ;) That cowl just looks too nice to cut a huge hole in just so the standard muffler can hang out of it! or.... what do you know about Slimline Pitts mufflers and their effects on performance?

thanks again for your help.




sigrun -> Magpie 50 wing & undercarriage (8/6/2003 3:20 PM)

It looks like I was misinformed by the owner who epoxied his into the wing. If that's the case and you have the choice, don't epoxy the gear leg assembly to the wing, just fasten it with the screws as indicated. You're right in your thinking that it provides a natural shear point in the event of excessive stress loading (heavy landing). It also facilitates removal if you need to re-adjust the rake angle of the undercarriage later.

CM Pro seem to be taking the 'keep it light for performance' maxim to an extreme, especially where their undercarriage fixings are concerned. If it were my model, I'd modify as required to build in sufficient strength to handle the strip conditions from which you intend to operate. Without the encumberance of retracting gear limited by wheel well size, that would include larger wheels. From memory, the ones supplied with the Magpie are on the smallish side even for short smooth grass?

Re the slimline Pitts mufflers- I've never used one. They are expensive, and their predominent purchase justification seems primarily to be cosmetic appeal. ie: "I don't wanna cut the cowl".

I can't remember what engine you said you were going to put in it, but anything TBR, schnuerled & ABC of .40inē or greater will have plenty of go for this model just with a standard silencer. Adding a pipe of the correct tuned length can only improve on that. Similarly if you choose to go four stroke. In my observation the recommended engine sizes will fly the Magpie adequately for sport flying and offer sufficient vertical for Sportsman. Going larger will increase the adrenaline flow and offer vertical performance well in excess of as required for either of the above.

I reckon that anything larger than a hot .50inē two stroke or .70inē four stroke is massive overkill in this model. But thats just me. If it were mine, I'd stick a CX. 45/.46FX or CX .50 in it depending upon what I had available in my engine inventory. But even my ABC Super Tigre S40K would power it around nicely, - and on a pipe - WOW!




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