MHester
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Not trying to take sides or be argumentative, but the ''Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law'', and the whole Constitutional argument, applies to a Citizen's relationship with his Government, not society and other private organizations. There is plenty of precedence for private organizations taking action based on charges prior to conviction. You can bet that if a person was charged with this kind of offense he would not be allowed to teach children in a classroom, or serve as a Scout Master. We as individuals, or as members of an organization, are free to have discussions and form opinions based on available knowledge, without being called ''un-American''. Whether it is appropriate for a person charged with such an offence as Jason is to represent our organization in a World Championship event is a valid discussion to have.
All that being said, I am troubled by the entrapment aspects of this case in particular. I think the changing charges may indicate a problematic case from a legal perspective. Still, in light of the facts as I currently understand them, I would not allow Jason to be in a position of control over my Children. Does this caution extend to participation in a model airplane competition? I am unsure, but interested in others opinions on this. So for me, this thread has value. It is part of a process that unfortunately needs to take place.
Good point and well stated. If you read my post, you notice that I did allude to removal on moral grounds, IF the powers (AMA I think) deem it in the best interest of the sport. Whether or not I agree with THAT action is totally irrelavent.
My objection comes in from the automatic assumption of guilt before there has ever been a trial. He has been ACCUSED. So if I accuse Chip of trying to get in my 15 year old daughter's pants (an example, he's never met her LOL) then we assume he's guilty and kick him off the team as well? What if one of thier girlfriends got POed at one of them and accused them of abuse or child molestation, we gonna just send Van Putte? (LOL sorry Ron I know you know that's a joke). My point is we ALL need to take a closer look at this. Not just Jason, but our knee jerk responses and the way this group of people ignores years of transgressions by a few, while burning others (of "lesser value") at the stake for trivial crap that 99% of the time is fabricated rumor in the fist place.
We as a people need to have a closer look at how we crucify people in the media as well. A lot of those precedents you mention are pretty much the same thing.
Here's what I want you to know: if he's found guilty, which he might be who knows, then you have a right to label him as such. But we do NOT know. We have a media **** cop who told us what he wanted us to hear...that he, the great savior of Florida, has mightily struck down and smited these abhorrent deviants in the name of righteousness and the good people of Florida.
Don't buy it so fast. You can bet if they had ANY evidence at ALL of child sexual intent of ANY kind at all, they'd be charging him with it...ALL of it. And let's make no mistake, that's ALL this is about is that FICTIONAL kid. What he wanted to do with the grown woman is his own business. I don't care if he brought a case of whipped cream and a chicken suit, who cares??????
This is a microcosm of what's going on in this whole country right now. Fact: we have 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners. Look it up. China isn't even a close second. Land of liberty? Pfffft we love to lock people up. Let's get that college kid for playing call of duty in his own living room and smoking a doobie too....it's illegal send in the swat team NOW!!!!! Shoot the dog he barked at me!!! (Too common in swat raids) Lets charge him with intent to distribute as well because although what he really had wouldn't fill a thimble, he has a bathroom scale...and we ALL know scales are used to weigh drugs with right? Then super DA can say how he got a dangerous drug dealing doper off the streets and now...your kids are safer, thanks to him. (Want video links? I got TONS of em) After all we have SOOOOOOOO much spare cash to pay to jail all of them. Not to mention court costs, police salaries and equipment, helicopters, probation costs, hey hey....we can afford to put half our citizens in jail!!
Do you guys know how many unsolved murders there are in Florida alone? What about thefts, robberies, carjackings etc? And you mean to tell me I'm supposed to cheer this numb nuts for entrapping a horny guy on the internet? On OUR DIME?!?!?!?!?!! Granted they probably got a couple of genuine predators off the street.....for a short time at our expense. And I don't begrudge them that fact. Making it a media circus and the way they go about it however is to me, unacceptable. Show me the pictures and tell me the names AFTER the trials, NOT before!!!!!
Now you have just as much right to free speech as I do or anyone else, until it crosses the line of libel (the typed word for the vast majority who think "slander" applies here). And so far I see nothing across that line....some right up to it maybe, but not across. Also I think the AMA needs to adress this quickly and loudly. Make a choice. Write a letter to the AMA if you need to voice your opinion to someone who can actually do something, I encourage that, either way your opinion slides.
Of COURSE you have a right to your opinion! And the right to voice it! My plea is to temper it with a closer study of that prejudgemental streak some people are showing...with great gnashing of teeth.
-Mike
PS Whassup Mike C and Doug!! Long time no hear/see!
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