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    GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 2:50:33 AM   
    Maudib



    Posts: 5833
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    From: Ashland, KY, USA
    Status: offline     		Well here we are.

    The first post of hopefully a helpful thread about building, setting up and flying the Great Planes 1/4 scale Patty Wagstaff Extra.

    The Patty Wagstaff Extra is an awesome value and will open up the door for ALOT of people to step up to gas. That means there will be lots of questions about the installation and setup.

    There is another thread that is well over 5000 posts long and tho it has alot of good info in it... has become a rat's nest of off-topic mush and made the thread all but useless. If you want to join a "club" then that thread is for you. But I'm willing to bet that MOST people don't have time or interest to sift thru the sensless drivel to find the occasional precious bit of info.

    If you want to request information or share your ideas on building, setting up and flying this sweetheart of a plane, then you've found the right thread.

    I'm not a moderator, but I can tell you that if this even STARTS to get off-topic, I'll report it to a real moderator until it's cleared. I would like to see a thread that shows installs of different engines, routing of pushrods, balance settings, smoke installs, etc.

    With that said... welcome.


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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 2:56:18 AM   
    Maudib



    Posts: 5833
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    From: Ashland, KY, USA
    Status: offline     		I got my Patty a week ago... some overall remarks on the plane are:

    Well built, tho light and not overly sturdy. Having went thru the hardware contents, I can say the only thing I didn't like was the CA hinges. Now GP certainly knows what they are doing, but I have my own reservations about CA hinges on a plane this size.

    I opted to use Robart Hingepoints. I placed them in the same locations as were slotted for the CA hinges because there was some hinge blocks installed at this location. however, I did double up on the two ends of each aileron by putting 2 hinges about 1" apart in the slot.

    Here's a diagram of setup:

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:01:27 AM   
    Maudib



    Posts: 5833
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    From: Ashland, KY, USA
    Status: offline     		I chsoe a ZDZ 50 because of my good experience with my first gas engine... a ZDZ 80.


    Some people ask about the rear carb design (which also is used on the DA 50... It;s not much more difficult to setup, once you now how.

    here a re a couple pics showing the firewall cutout and the pushrod routing.

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:03:00 AM   
    Maudib



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    Status: offline     		Pic #2

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:05:40 AM   
    Stargazer



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    From: Pleasant View , UT, USA
    Status: offline     		Mordib - Thank You ThankYou Thanks... I am in on this thread, I completely agree with you on the "big one" - I commented on your Robart install on the "other " thread however I used the 3/16ths hinges and used 5 - in the slotted locations - I am assuming that will be enough? That ProBond is great stuff - even filled the slots where the CA hinges would have gone, I also sealed the top and bottom of the hinge line with some Monokote. I plan on using the 1/8th in. hinges for the stab and rudder how many would you reccomend on those surfaces?

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:07:05 AM   
    Maudib



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    Status: offline     		The Patty is a very light built plane... because of that, do NOT skip the hardening of the screw holes that GP reocmmends... the wood (even where you screw into liteply is lite grade and just won't provide adequate holding power.

    So while it's a pain to remove the servo and 4 screws you JUST put in... DO IT... it needs it and there's no room for shortcuts on this plane.

    Why settle for "probably good enough" when you can kick back when it's done and think... "I nailed it.. this thing is the best work I've done yet."

    It will go a LONG way in giving you confidence in the air too. If anything DOES happen, you know it won't be because you rushed thru the assembly.

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:21:58 AM   
    Maudib



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    Status: offline     		ASAT,

    Since I was using the 1/8" I opted to double the ends... I think that will help, but as you said the ProBond is awesome and will fill in the gaps.

    I did the same on the rudder and elevators too... Tho again with the bigger ones, you shuld be just fine with one each for the slots.

    I plan on sealing the surfaces too...


    [QUOTE]Originally posted by ASAT
    Mordib - Thank You ThankYou Thanks... I am in on this thread, I completely agree with you on the "big one" - I commented on your Robart install on the "other " thread however I used the 3/16ths hinges and used 5 - in the slotted locations - I am assuming that will be enough? That ProBond is great stuff - even filled the slots where the CA hinges would have gone, I also sealed the top and bottom of the hinge line with some Monokote. I plan on using the 1/8th in. hinges for the stab and rudder how many would you recomend on those surfaces? [/QUOTE]

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:24:40 AM   
    Stargazer



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    Status: offline     		Arent the 3/16 too big for the elevator? I was planning to use the 1/8 in. cause they wont need that big ol' hole - are the stabs/rudder big enough for the 3/16ths??

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:25:36 AM   
    ram3500-RCU



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    Status: offline     		I have to agree and enjoy sharing experiences with others hopefully to be of some help and get Ideas myself so, I am reposting over here about the hatch work that I had to do because I snapped her nose off. Had to glass it back on from the inside so here's what i did. Hatch on the bottom.

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:30:25 AM   
    ram3500-RCU



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    Status: offline     		Hatch is hinged in the front and screwed shut. While I was at it , I moved the ignition and it's batt. into this newly available compartment to redistribute some weight and move the ign. box into a safer environment.

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:31:53 AM   
    ram3500-RCU



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    Status: offline     		Another shot with hatch partially open.

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:33:30 AM   
    ram3500-RCU



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    Status: offline     		While I was at it, I added a hatch in the back for my rec. batt.

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    RE: GP Patty Wagstaff - Building & Flying - 8/6/2003 3:34:32 AM   
    ram3500-RCU



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    Status: offline     		The batt. is attatched to the back of the hatch.

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