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    Hanger9 60 size p51 - 8/9/2003 4:43:14 AM   
    PaulWR


     

    Posts: 85
    Joined: 3/1/2003
    From: Owen Sound, ON, CANADA
    Status: offline     		Today I flew my Hanger9 '60 size' p51.
    I was so pleased that it flew so well - beyond my expectations. It did not exhibit any bad habits that were listed in some of the 'threads on RCUniverse -except that during the landing on the second flight it nosed over at the end of the roll-out. The only adjustment I made before my second flight was to reduce aileron travel by approx 25 percent.
    I practiced flying a P51 using the RealFlight G2 simulator. The H9 flew very closely to the way the P51 flew on the simulator - except I found the H9 P51 easier to land (no bounce).
    I have to give much credit to the people of RCUniverse and the many RC fliers that submitted threads about their experiences with the model. I found that the opinions about this model were very positive and any criticisms were followed by constructive recommendations. I tried to do all of the mods that were recommended. I did keep the original retracts but added three of the recommended modifications to them.
    1. I added oleo struts as also recommended by Karl Gross who operates Skycraft Hobbies in Burlington, Ontario <http://www.skycrafthobbies.com/>. He also builds and sells the struts. I feel that the struts contributed to the smooth landings.
    2. I installed lighter wheels (foam) from an old Skyward 60 ARF I had years ago..
    3. I added 1/8" shims under the rear mounts of the gear to bring the wheel axles just forward of the wing leading edge.

    I wonder if Hanger 9 made some improvements to the newer H9 p51 60 size retract mechanism ??? My retracts don't appear to be as flimsy as some people have described them.

    I side-mounterd a Super Tiger 75 with a Bison Pitts style muffler modified to fit in the cowl. It provided more than enough power.

    PaulWR

    < Message edited by mkranitz -- 9/15/2004 12:52:36 AM >
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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/23/2003 3:10:09 AM   
    K.O.


     

    Posts: 190
    Joined: 9/22/2003
    From: Fremont , OH, USA
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: PaulWR

    Today I flew my Hanger9 '60 size' p51.
    I was so pleased that it flew so well - beyond my expectations. It did not exhibit any bad habits that were listed in some of the 'threads on RCUniverse -except that during the landing on the second flight it nosed over at the end of the roll-out. The only adjustment I made before my second flight was to reduce aileron travel by approx 25 percent.
    I practiced flying a P51 using the RealFlight G2 simulator. The H9 flew very closely to the way the P51 flew on the simulator - except I found the H9 P51 easier to land (no bounce).
    I have to give much credit to the people of RCUniverse and the many RC fliers that submitted threads about their experiences with the model. I found that the opinions about this model were very positive and any criticisms were followed by constructive recommendations. I tried to do all of the mods that were recommended. I did keep the original retracts but added three of the recommended modifications to them.
    1. I added oleo struts as also recommended by Karl Gross who operates Skycraft Hobbies in Burlington, Ontario <http://www.skycrafthobbies.com/>. He also builds and sells the struts. I feel that the struts contributed to the smooth landings.
    2. I installed lighter wheels (foam) from an old Skyward 60 ARF I had years ago..
    3. I added 1/8" shims under the rear mounts of the gear to bring the wheel axles just forward of the wing leading edge.

    I wonder if Hanger 9 made some improvements to the newer H9 p51 60 size retract mechanism ??? My retracts don't appear to be as flimsy as some people have described them.

    I side-mounterd a Super Tiger 75 with a Bison Pitts style muffler modified to fit in the cowl. It provided more than enough power.

    PaulWR


    I also have a hanger 60 size P-51 and it flies great. Just a little pitch sensitive though. The engine is a Saito 100 which seems to be a perfect combination. I'm a recent again long term pilot. I flew RC's 50 years ago with a 45 year absence and just getting the feel of it again. I also felt the need to up grade the landing gear and contacted Skycraft Hobbies for landing gear info. Thank you for the lead. I have about 12 flights so far.
    TX
    Ken

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/23/2003 5:20:30 PM   
    PaulWR


     

    Posts: 85
    Joined: 3/1/2003
    From: Owen Sound, ON, CANADA
    Status: offline     		ThanksThanks for your reply. Glad to hear of your success with the P51.
    I have had 4 flights so far and would have had more by now --but I had a 'minor' crash on my 5th flight. I was really annoyed with myself because my crash was caused from my negligence. I did'nt pay enough attention to the wind direction which I had noted when I got to the field, had been shifting as much as 90 degrees from time to time. I did'nt get enough air speed prior to take off and when I got about 2 feet off the ground the wind which had shifted (according to a witness) got under the wing and the plane twisted onto its left wing, flew accross the Pitt area and into our storage shed. Luckily, and to the amazement of both me and several of our club members, there was only 'minor' damge which I am repairing now.
    I am looking forward to my 12th flight.
    My history sounds similar to yours. I built and flew U-control: then single channel Rc. Then when I retired I got back into it again. (Once a modeler always a modeler I guess)
    Telemaster, CG Chipmunk, TF Corsair, CG Sukhoi, H9 P51.
    Paul

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/24/2003 3:11:51 AM   
    K.O.


     

    Posts: 190
    Joined: 9/22/2003
    From: Fremont , OH, USA
    Status: offline     		Hi Paul
    I also had a mis-hap on take off. I have to hold up elevator on take off to prevent nose over and the plane got off the ground before it had enough flying speed and aI dumped it in the corn field. I was lucky because there was not apparent damage. After checking it over I flew it again. After getting home I noticed the battery had broken the bulkhead in the tail loose.this could have shifted the battery enough to be out of balance. I was lucky. After discovering that I spent about 4 hours that evening replacing the bulkhead (very hard to reach) and thoroughly inspecting the rest of the plane. After talking to Bill peterson today, the technical editor for RC modeler magazine he told me about i could slove my axile problem using Dobro or Goldberg axils available at the hobby shop. The Central Hobby 3/16 gears are only $19 US but the gear isn't long enough to bend to make the axile. I'll see how it goes.
    As for my modeling experience I stared flying control line back in 1952 and Rc in 1954. In fact and coincently my 1st RC plane was a Royal Rudderbug currently on the front page of the Oct Model Aviation magazine. It had a K7B 19 ,a single channel Citzenship radio frequency 27.255 and a bonner rubber band powered escapment. Then I greduated to the Babcock 3 channel radio in Debolt's Live Wire Cruisers poweres with a K&B 35. Those were the days. I just got back into it again this year flying a King Kobra with a Super Tiger. I had help flying the 1st couple flight and then on my own. I have to admit I'm still a little jittery at times. I need to get moving so stay in touch. I'll keep you posted on my P-51 progress.
    Ken Olsen

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/24/2003 4:03:46 PM   
    PaulWR


     

    Posts: 85
    Joined: 3/1/2003
    From: Owen Sound, ON, CANADA
    Status: offline     		One modification I had made on the P51 was to 'pin' the firewall in with large tooth pics followed by applying epoxy paste around the bulkhead where it joins the body. This saved me from the most certain and extreme damage I would have experienced when my p51 hit the door of our clubs storage shed.
    The reason I was annoyed at myself when I crashed my P51 is that I had read repeatedly in different posts how important it was to
    - start my roll with not to much throttle - and a little bit of up elevator. (but not enough to cause early lift off)
    - once enough speed is attained to stabalize the plane, reduce up elevator and increase throttle.
    - be ready with the rudder to control any tendency to veer off line.
    I practiced this on my Great planes G2 simulator. On my first three flights with the P51 I had my emotions under control enough to follow those steps and I had great results.
    However, on the last flight there were a number of our club members there looking forward to seeing "how well the P51 flew". I had bragged about it so much before hand. Anyway I think the pressure had made me nervous and I started the take-off like I would have with a couple of other sport type planes I have flown.

    When I was flying single channel I got real sophisticated and acquired a Babcock "MULE" single channel system. It was tone controlled and required a 'mountain' of batteries (A,B,& C). I had to ground all metal parts to keep any vibration or noise from operating the receiver/escapment.

    I have a 2 min. video my son took of my last flight. When I determine how to post a video file I will send it.
    Paul

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/24/2003 4:07:18 PM   
    PaulWR


     

    Posts: 85
    Joined: 3/1/2003
    From: Owen Sound, ON, CANADA
    Status: offline     		By the way the Oleos I bought from Sky Craft Hobbies have axles on them so I have'nt had any axle problems.
    Paul

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/25/2003 3:21:42 AM   
    K.O.


     

    Posts: 190
    Joined: 9/22/2003
    From: Fremont , OH, USA
    Status: offline     		Hi Paul
    Sounds like you had the same Babcok radio as I Your right it needed a ton of batteries. one 67 1/2 volt (this one was big) a 9volt bias battery and 8 AA pen light batteries to power the escapment and I don't remember what else.
    As for flying the P-51 I'm not co-ordinated enough to give it partial power up elevator then back off elevator and add power. I'm not that good. I just apply about 1/2 or more power hold up elevator, attempt to steer till its airborne. Then I'm Ok from then on. Manuvers and landing are pretty easy. I was hoping to fly today but it was to windy 20MPH + gusts. I golfed instead. Tomorrow doesnt look much better. Allow me to ask you Paul what kind of field charger / discharger do you have. I'm shopping around for one and trying to get different opinions of personal from experience. You opioion would be appreciated.
    K.O.

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/26/2003 3:30:23 PM   
    PaulWR


     

    Posts: 85
    Joined: 3/1/2003
    From: Owen Sound, ON, CANADA
    Status: offline     		I can't pretend I am totally cordinated enough to always do the steps I listed. It is difficult to think about and act on each step. Everything happens so quickly. I have flown several planes that did'nt present much challenge and it makes me lazy I guess. I don't mean to exaggerate the difficulty in flying this plane. It is a beautifull plane to fly. But, it did take me by surprise on my fifth flight and it has emphasised the fact that I must be careful to try to follow a couple of important rules.- simple rules mind you, like paying attention to wind direction shifting and also making sure I have proper take off speed. At my age and experience I should'nt have to 'concentrate' on all this. Although as some said to me the other day, it is all these and other variables that make RC flying interesting
    As far as my field charger goes I don't have one. I do have a Digipace 1, by Ace RC, which I cycle my batteries with. I have had this unit for about twelve years and it works very well. I did think about replacing it with a more versatile unit but I was a little confused when reading the many opinions on the web. One of these days I will get a field charger.

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 9/27/2003 2:17:14 AM   
    K.O.


     

    Posts: 190
    Joined: 9/22/2003
    From: Fremont , OH, USA
    Status: offline     		Thanks for your input. I'll keep you informed as what I choose,
    K.O.

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 10/26/2003 12:23:40 AM   
    stupidfast43


     

    Posts: 2
    Joined: 10/25/2003
    From: ft wayne, IN, USA
    Status: offline     		Change the landing gear and you will love the plane. I have a OS91 on it and it is a very nice flying plane. Nice job Hanger9. Use 3/16 wire from the hobby shop and make your own struts and you will have a very nice plane.

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 3/23/2004 4:13:03 AM   
    aeroborn79


     

    Posts: 1
    Joined: 3/22/2004
    From: Belleville, IL,
    Status: offline     		My left main gear retract won't retract fully due to some play in the retract mechanism. It leaves 1/3 of the gear tire out of the well. Do you know how to fix this problem, or someone who may? Any other suggestions regarding the P-51 you may have are certainly welcome.

    Thanks

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 3/23/2004 5:59:25 PM   
    PaulWR


     

    Posts: 85
    Joined: 3/1/2003
    From: Owen Sound, ON, CANADA
    Status: offline     		I know from my own experience and reading many of the threads on RcUniverse that at best it is a fiddley process to get to the point that the gear retracts successfully. Best if I could see your setup, but, you might try the following.
    - With the servo in the retracted position (using the transmitter) loosen off both of the lock screws on the servo wheel and push both LH and RH wheels up into the retracted position. Then lock the screws. Test manually at first by turning the servo wheel by hand to see if both wheels come down into the locked position and then go up fully into the retracted position. Then try retracting using the transmitter. You might have to experiment with size of the servo wheel (the distance from the center out to the holes on the edge of the servo wheel.
    Good luck

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 6/20/2004 2:16:59 AM   
    jmt


     

    Posts: 7
    Joined: 11/24/2003
    From: ace, TX, USA
    Status: offline     		need to know the cg on hanger 9 p51 60. HELP

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    RE: Hanger9 60 size p51 - 6/20/2004 6:33:32 PM   
    PaulWR