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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/14/2003 11:13:34 PM   
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My Legacy - 8/15/2003 8:57:06 AM   
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Here I thought I was going to cruise through life relatively anonymous, with no real notable legacy.

But low and behold I am being credited with the downfall of the entire hobby of R/C flying.

I will apologize in advance to all R/C fliers for putting you all in a bad light.

[QUOTE]spylinker 1500mW system (post # 1)

Hey Everyone,

I'm a new guy here. After reading many posts re: aerial photography, I have purchased a 1500mW system from spylinker through EBay. ($124.00 inc. S&H) It includes Camera, Tx, Rx power supplies and cables. Unable to tell what kind of camera it is, it is described as free gift in the ad. It is a 1.2 GhZ system. I plan to mount it in my Sig Kadet Sr just as "Fubar One" has (love those vids on your site.

Sure would like to know how you mounted the camera on the servo to get 180 degree direction. I have a JR xp662 6 channel radio and only have retract and gear channels open. Any help here would be appreciated.

I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of this project and on the performance of the system.

Also wanted to recognize the nice work of "Rucanunes" and others that I've seen on this board.

ddaver
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The above quote was my original post to start this thread, and my first post to RCU. This is my last!

Anybody wanna buy an unused spylinker set-up?


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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/15/2003 8:59:15 AM   
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How much?

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/15/2003 9:51:44 AM   
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I hope you were being sarcastic ddaver about not posting again. RCU and most worldwide forums are great resources for information... and group discussions can easily digress.

Keep participating; you never know what you can instigate!

Yours,
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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/15/2003 9:56:14 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jsonin
I hope you were being sarcastic ddaver about not posting again. RCU and most worldwide forums are great resources for information... and group discussions can easily digress.

Keep participating; you never know what you can instigate!

Yours,
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What he said.
If those guys want to flame somebody, they can flame me. Their aim just sucks.

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/15/2003 4:29:58 PM   
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Stay with us ddaver. You have done nothing wrong and you certainly don't have anything to apologize for nor does Fubar. As I have posted here and also on the 800w whatever section there are more pressing things to worry about than these cameras. If you live near an airport or a military base then you should use common sense but otherwise enjoy the hobby. RCUniverse is the best thing going for the hobby on the web and is the source for a lot of information. Don't abandon it.

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/15/2003 11:56:56 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SydDythers

It is amazing to me what cyber-flyer has been able to do and I think that it is really neat stuff. But he has also done it within the legal parameters set forth by his regulatory authority.
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It is amazing, and it is good that he might be transmitting on the proper freq band, but a Certificate of Authorization from the FAA to fly to those altitudes is also a legal parameter to think about.

Having a model coasting around @ 20,000' in failsafe mode, without any collision avoidance systems IMO has a higher chance of causing a real problem.

Using illegal radio equipment, or flying up there with the licensed aircraft usually will cause no problems....... It all comes down to Breaking the Law.

Please don't do it.

Although I break the law every day, usually driving faster than the posted speed limit. Does that make me a criminal ?


[SIZE=1]crime [ krîm ] (plural crimes)

noun

1. illegal act: an action prohibited by law, or a failure to act as required by law


2. illegal activity: activity that involves breaking the law


3. immoral act: any act considered morally wrong


4. undesirable act: a shameful, unwise, or regrettable act ( informal )[/SIZE]

By definition, I guess I am

We all do it here or there, but if your going to buy a camera set-up, why not just buy one that is legal, and get your ham license so you can use it as legal as possible? Even then, there are issues about using these ham freqs for out aerial adventures.

The blatant disregard of United States Law by the seller and others defending him and their use a bad bad thing. Reminds me of a drug dealer and a bunch of junkies.

Prime example of why our fine country is getting is so ****ed up!

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/16/2003 2:41:15 AM   
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Hey DDAVER,

Stay with us! I wasn't trying to flame anyone, just give a word of advice and warning so you can save a possible headache for you and maybe us other hobbyists somewhere down the road.

Anyhow lvspar, as far as it has been ascertained, cyber-flyer is probably not breaking the law taking his airplane that high...I have read topics in other forums on this very question and an aircraft needs to be of a certain size and weight before it comes under fcc regulations.

For example, what about model rocketry? I am not an expert in this area so I can't say for sure what the legalities of it are.

Cheeers,

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/16/2003 2:52:35 AM   
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My question would be what about AMA regulations? I also think that you might mean FAA regs and not FCC as far as size of the plane is concerned.

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/16/2003 3:10:07 PM   
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Yep Crispy, meant FAA

Good question on the AMA...

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/17/2003 7:45:34 PM   
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Does anyone know what the aviation uses 1.2GHz for?


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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/17/2003 8:42:11 PM   
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quote:

Does anyone know what the aviation uses 1.2GHz for?

960MHz - 1215MHz: Aeronautical navigation (NAVAIDS)
1215MHz - 1240MHz: US Govt - Radiolocation / Space

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/17/2003 8:46:41 PM   
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So if the range of the transmitter is less than the distance to the closest ATC tower, would it be almost impossible to get caught?


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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/18/2003 10:49:32 PM   
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Range is very much defined by gain of antenna on rx.

Range you experience is completely different than range ATC experiences (you can be sure their range is better than yours)

Risk management says to balance probability of failure against consequence of failure.

Speeding on highway and getting caught can cost you low $100's depending on speed, so many of us take risk because we can live with consequence.

Operating illegal RF system and getting caught can cost you up to $10,000 and possible jail time

Even if only 1 in 1000 users get caught, do you even want to entertain idea of being that 1?

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spylinker 1500mW system - 8/21/2003 2:22:55 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SydDythers

Anyhow lvspar, as far as it has been ascertained, cyber-flyer is probably not breaking the law taking his airplane that high...I have read topics in other forums on this very question and an aircraft needs to be of a certain size and weight before it comes under fcc regulations.

For example, what about model rocketry? I am not an expert in this area so I can't say for sure what the legalities of it are.

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First off, I like what cyber-flyer does, and I'm no angel or expert on this stuff either. Even if it has been ascertained, I would not like to be the guy that gets his plane spotted by a licensec aircraft at 20,000'. I am sure there are consequences. Remember the guy that strapped his butt in [URL=http://www.markbarry.com/amazing/lawnchairman.html]lawn chair [/URL] with a 6 pack, a BB gun, and a bunch of ballons?

When you talk with the FAA about high flying RPV, they are still trying to figure it out as well. At present, if you call it a model airplane, no big deal, but if you call it a UAV, they consider it an aircraft, and that aircraft has to conform to all regs as a standard aircraft would. Enable to fly one without any problems from them, you need to get a certificate of authorization witch can take up to 90 days, and you have to provide a boat load of information for thier review. I asked if I could fly during a high power rocket launch, that already had a COA, (to avoid the paperwork) and the FAA rep indicated that would probably be o.k. as long as they were notified.

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[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 14, Volume 1]
[Revised as of January 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 14CFR1.1]
[Page 5-15]

TITLE 14--AERONAUTICS AND SPACE

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

PART 1--DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS--Table of Contents

Sec. 1.1 General definitions.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for
flight in the air.


Small aircraft means aircraft of 12,500 pounds or less, maximum
certificated takeoff weight.
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Notice in the above definition, they use the word DEVICE....
It is an aircraft subject to rules governing its operation in the NAS.

There is definitions and sections in the CFR for [URL=http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr101_00.html]baloon, kite, rocket[/URL]
, but unmanned aircraft or model aircraft with camera at high altitueds is not listed anywhere. In fact, searching the entire CFR,DOT,and FAA I couldn;t find squat on this type of activity. I read that there is a commitee that is working on some preliminary stuff.


A small blip from an FAA regional homepage.. "It also involves protecting airspace for one time and/or period occurrences like laser, missile or unmanned air vehicle operations."


This is only my interpretation ... take it as you will...

BTW: Midairs only account for about 2% of air related fatalities in the USA by aircraft that are suppose to be opperated in a see and avoid manner (so I am told).


To the rest of you guys selling/promoting these Illegal transmitters... Find an new, legal, product to sell, and you won't have to constantly be defending yourselfs.

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