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lsjpeng -> Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/8/2011 4:17 PM)

Just checked MPI's website; the new version Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor is released.
Based on feedbacks from users, MPI came up this 210Kv motor to improve the high end output. This will help in particular the windy day. Trade-off is slightly higher current draw. Preliminary test data of the prototype was posted a while ago: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=9995896

I practise the new Master sequence using the 210Kv prototype since this January. The Falcon 20.5x14.5 CF prop is my favorite combination. Typical usage is around 3100-3300 mAh in calm day, and is around 3500-3700 mAh in windy day. I feel the major difference is the square loop on corner w/ half rolls; the 210Kv has a much better pull at the second leg.

Dimensions are identitical for 200 and 210Kv motors. Weight is also the same. The 210Kv has a Laser cut groove around the base.

Luke



woodie -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/10/2011 1:33 AM)

I was able to get out and get a few flights on a pre-production Himax 6330-210 today. First couple flights were pretty easy just checking rpms, amps, etc. Third flight I was pulling some large verticals, vertical snaps, hugh cuban 8's etc just flying it 'normally'. Motor ran very smooth and quiet, no issues. Amp draw is up compared to the 6330-200, when I really pushed the motor, it was pulling about 78 amps and speed was obviously increased. I will have to lower my throttle curve for next few flights, since most of what I was doing was at half stick with verticals at 3/4 unless I was pushing it. Below is an EagleTree graph of that 3rd flight. The recorded temps are from the ESC, not the motor. Motor was barely warm when I landed. Day was about 65F. If you ignore the 2 rpm spikes at the beginning and end of the flight, rpm peak was in the 6200-6400 rpm. EagleTree gets some weird rpm results if you throttle quickly so I ignore the spikes. Looks promising so far for this pre production test.

Woodie
Team Acme LG
Team Blenderm



patternflyer1 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/11/2011 4:38 AM)

I hope to have mine installed in the Neptuno no later than Saturday night (I have to put a firewall in) and fly it on Sunday. Been sick so didn't get a chance. Numbers seem good though. What battery was your test with Don?

C



wattsup -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/11/2011 2:17 PM)

Chris, Don used Hyperion G3 5000 packs in his test/evaluation of his Himax 6330 210 F3A motor. All of his info (prop, date, temp and batteries etc.) was shown at the top of his Eagle Tree Graph. It should be noted, he is starting the 3rd year of use on this particular pack. I should be so fortunate! I'm hoping Chris Moon can help me in this area. ______Everette



woodie -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/11/2011 3:38 PM)

Chris, as Everette said, this test was with a Hyperion pack. This is my oldest pack I started using late in the 2009 season. The pack has over 300 flights on it. Hyperion rates it as a 25C pack.

Don




patternflyer1 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/13/2011 9:49 PM)

That is why I mentioned it. I wasn't sure how new your packs were. You do have the tendency to get more life out of your packs than anyone I have ever seen!
Not sure if my ICE 80 can handle it with Power Unlimited batteries. Hope I don't mess it up. It's new. lol

Got it mounted, ready to go, just gotta get the energy up to go to the field and log some data! hehe.

Thanks Everette and Don for the replies!


C



lsjpeng -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/14/2011 3:50 AM)

EagleTree data below were recorded today. Himax 6330-210, CC 85HV, Falcon 20.5x14.5, Blue Lipo 5000 20C. One Master sequence. Wind ~5 MPH. Peak current ~73A. One Master sequnce usage ~3150 mAh.



patternflyer1 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/14/2011 4:22 AM)

Luke

I am shocked at the power of this motor! It is more than my Q80 IMO. My numbers are IMO a bit better than yours or Don's. Perhaps because I am using Power Unlimited packs. I checked the log file on the CC controller and it is pretty much how it felt in flight. Good! The first spike is a run up on the ground. Then I flew a few verticals during the flight at full throttle just to log data.
If it doesn't rain tomorrow, I may go back out with my Medusa meter to compare. Batteries were cool BTW. No warming.

Chris



woodie -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/14/2011 5:07 AM)

Chris, shhhh this can be our little secret!!!! ;-)

Woodie
Team Acme LG
Team Blenderm



shepga -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/14/2011 6:23 PM)

Does anyone have an idea on what pricing to expect?

Glen



patternflyer1 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/14/2011 7:12 PM)

On MaxxProd website it says $279.99.

Chris



patternflyer1 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/14/2011 7:17 PM)

lol Don!

Yeah, I'm gonna get some more flights on this motor before I decide, but this has me rethinking the Pletty Advance that I got for the Opium. lol. If the weather stays nice enough, I'll probably get back out to the field at the end of the day now that we have more daylight into the evening.

C



cmoulder -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/24/2011 2:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: patternflyer1

Luke

I am shocked at the power of this motor! It is more than my Q80 IMO. My numbers are IMO a bit better than yours or Don's. Perhaps because I am using Power Unlimited packs. I checked the log file on the CC controller and it is pretty much how it felt in flight. Good! The first spike is a run up on the ground. Then I flew a few verticals during the flight at full throttle just to log data.
If it doesn't rain tomorrow, I may go back out with my Medusa meter to compare. Batteries were cool BTW. No warming.

Chris


Wow.... what is the C rating for those packs? How much mAh back in after a typical flight, and what sequence??

I just started flying my first electric pattern ship with the 200kv 6330 and the power is quite impressive with 20C Zippys.



woodie -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/24/2011 11:53 PM)

250C I think.......

just kiddin'

Woodie



lsjpeng -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/27/2011 2:44 AM)

I have more than 100 flights on the new 210Kv motor so far, really enjoy the extra power.
Here are two Eagle Tree data collected today.
Himax 6330-210, CC 85HV, Falcon 20.5x14.5 CF prop.
Ambient temperature ~50F, wind ~10MPH.
With careful throttle management, one Master sequence usages were ~2800 mAh.
The current peak at beginning was full throttle test before takeoff.



jarvis johnson -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (3/31/2011 3:05 AM)

Hey Guys
I had a chance to try out the Himax 6330-210 in my Monolog 2x2,I think the 210 is 150% power improvement over the 200.
Like Woodie stated early, I will have to lower my throttle curve, the motor ran very smooth and quiet. I was not able to check
the amp draw or rpm, but the motor has more top end power, and will just keep pulling, using a PT 21 x14 CF. This motor is
a keeper



rgreen24 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 3:22 AM)

Has anyone weighed their 210 motor. Just weighed and it was 640 grams, not the 610 as advertised. Anyone else seeing this 30 gram difference in weight?



cmoulder -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 4:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rgreen24

Has anyone weighed their 210 motor. Must weighed and it was 640 grams, not the 610 as advertised. Anyone else seeing this 30 gram difference in weight?


I just weighed one with 4mm bullet connectors and with the wires shortened a couple of inches or so and it weighs 620.3 grams. This is a good scale, a DigiWeigh with 0.1g resolution.

I guess it depends on how much excess wire is cut and what kind of connectors are used. Maybe they're advertising the weight without the wires, which is kinda silly, but Castle Creations also does this with some of their ESC's.

I am running two of these motors - one in a Sickle and the other in a Spark Dynamic - and have been very happy with them. Good power and reasonable current draw. For me, AMA Advanced uses about 3200mAh/flight in light winds and 3600 to 4200 in windier conditions, up to about 20mph winds.

Granted, rather subjective and generalized. Definitely the Land of YMMV.



lsjpeng -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 5:29 AM)

Just checked mine. The 210 is definitely heavier than the 200.



cmoulder -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 11:03 AM)

The Pletty 30-10 Evo is about 50 grams lighter and is a drop-in fit.




rgreen24 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 11:53 AM)

Thank you both for checking, I just can't beleive they would make that claim and not stand by it. By the waynmine is 647 grams with the prop adapter. Not cool



cmoulder -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 12:05 PM)

In a couple of years, when my flying skills improve (hopefully), I will "deserve" a better and lighter set-up. Definitely could shave considerable weight with a Pletty Advance and one of the new 40g Falcon props, perhaps 110g reduction compared to the Himax with a standard APC e-prop.

However, my present equipment and batteries are more than adequate at my current point in the learning curve![:)]




nonstoprc -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 2:49 PM)

I have the 200 model installed on my e-Sequel and it provides more power than needed for intermediate class. One day I could use 210 on my next plane (TBD [;)]).

Just wonder if hiMax provides an upgrade path (i.e., from 200 to 210) by replacing some components of the 200.



mups53 -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (9/23/2011 3:41 PM)

 Not to complain but I thought it worth noting is this. Himax has a very poor repair policy. I just checked and they will not look at a motor and try to fix it. They will sell you a new one at a reduced price. Its less than user friendly in my opinion. Plus I live right down the street from them and I can't even drop something off. All of it has me using different motors. Mike



yepe -> RE: Himax 6330-210 F3A Advance motor (4/5/2012 3:50 PM)

guys, how do mount the 20.5x 14 APC prop with Himax 210kv motor. Motor comes with a small single 8mm prop nut is this secured? How do you install a prop spinner on this.



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