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SuperStick -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/10/2003 10:21:20 AM)
i saw the yellow aircraft p 40 on their web site. It dosent give any info on price, kit contents, or materials included. If anyone has info on this aircraft It would be appreciated

Robtck -> Y/A P-40 (8/10/2003 7:48:12 PM)
I got a new price sheet from Yellow Aircraft last week. This is what is listed for the P-40. Deluxe Kit (86" wing span, epoxy glass fuselage-reinforced with carbon fiber) $625.00 Scale landing gear $495.00 Pre-built and painted cockpit $100.00 Wheels and tires $98.00 pair Pneumatic tail retract $30.00 Aluminum spinner and backing plate $78.00 For more info you have to call Yellow Aircraft.

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/11/2003 7:05:01 AM)
IMO you'd be much better off with a Ziroli or similar sized P40. This one is smallish, expensive (excessively so) and frankly, I'm not sure who's buying them as I've never actually seen one this season, and I attend lots of GS meets...... Do yourself a favor and steer clear of Yellow (500 bucks for retracts? laughable!!). JMO.

fw190 -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/11/2003 8:33:24 AM)
I have seen the kit and retracts. The detail and glasswork is about the best I have ever seen on a warbird. The retracts appear to be very close to scale, the Rotating robarts cannot come close. Most of the work already done for you. Vic

LDM -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/11/2003 2:41:56 PM)
I agree the kit is super , you can spend less get Robart retracts its like putting a $300 oak tree in a $10 hole , it will be troulble from day one .

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/11/2003 10:39:22 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LDM I agree the kit is super , you can spend less get Robart retracts its like putting a $300 oak tree in a $10 hole , it will be troulble from day one . [/QUOTE] [SIZE=4][FONT=century gothic][COLOR=blue] HuH? My Robarts work flawlessley on my Ziroli P40. Likewise they also do on my Ziroli Corsair, and I have a pair installed in a 118" BF110 as well as a Ziroli DC3. They look perfectly fine to me, and hundreds of other users as I've never heard any complaints here in these forums. If your only experience with Robart is his .60 sized retracts then I can understand your comment.[/COLOR] [/FONT] [/SIZE] ;)

fw190 -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/11/2003 10:49:08 PM)
I think Robart retracts have the best rotating retracts, however they are not as scale as the new yellow P40 retracts. Yes it cost 150 dollars more, but they look 150 dollars more, but it depends on how we look at things.... ;)

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/11/2003 10:59:31 PM)
Well, I suppose so. I went to the Yellow site to take a look, and as far as I can see, they don't look much different from the Robarts..... Of course there's no photo of the retract unit itself but rather just a photo of the strut and wheel in the airplane photo so I'll defer to you firsthand observation o said retract unit, FW. Having said that, I suppose if it's important that you have scale (looking) struts on your P40, then 'whatever floats your boat' as the saying goes!

LDM -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/12/2003 2:22:12 PM)
Yes you are correct my only experience with Robart is with 60 size planes . In -tern i have learned my lesson that after you spend $219 for rotatiing retracts , struts ect and the performance is ok at best you do question another purchase from the supplier . In addition the little toy set screws that are supposed to hold the gear and struts in place are continuously coming loose even with lock-tight. For 60 size to 90 I went to century and will never change . I used other brands for larger planes . as far as other post on the performance I have seen countless post on the lack of satisfaction on Robart. IN addition in one such post a modeler also suggest a new manufacture. Again its is all in your own taist and experience but when you build a meticulous model and have three otehr opinions that you have build it correctly your gear should function consistently . Remember many leading brands get to be leading brands by advertising. Word of mouth is more powerful .

luv2flyrc -> yellow retracts (8/12/2003 5:06:20 PM)
the yellow retracts are complete for $495 Once u buy a set of Robart 150HD8's , add the "air Kit" and some quick disconects, which are all sold separately, you are approaching the same price as the Yellow's. Also the yellow tail wheel retract is $30 the Robart is over $100, so I think overall everything is just about even. Mike

SuperStick -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/12/2003 8:37:35 PM)
I get the feeling from the posts here that retracts are a big issue with scale models, I have been in the sport about 4 years and my building skills and flying are getting to a point where i am comfortable getting into a warbird project, I have only been around models that have the cheap mechanical retracts hobbico etc that the guys are always working on. So I know those type are out of the question, And with the time it takes to build a model and the cost the retracts must work correctly. I didnt know the retracts were that expensive WOW. Any way thanks for you guys input, Anyone got any suggestions on a kit that would be an good entry level project, I dont do foam.

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/12/2003 9:50:29 PM)
Superstick. Retracts are a problem most often, if not always on smallish size glow airplanes, say 120 size and smaller. The smaller, the more of a nuisance. As for Robart, I don't know what the problems are with his smaller retracts but I've observed complaints here in this forum that details the problems if you're interested. Just search on Robart. The larger sized retracts used for gassers are much better quality and if installed correctly will give years of trouble free service. If I had to rank the retract manufacture's I've used through the years I'd have to rank them in the following order (1 is the highest): 1) Sierra Precision 1) Gene Barton 2) Robart 3) Yellow A/C 3) Century 3) Likes Line 4) Spring Air 100) Hobbico and other such junk.... I've also used retracts that are airplane specific from Vailly and other designers, but I'm limiting the list to manufacture's that market retracts to the masses, so to speak. JMO

Goin West -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/16/2003 1:58:38 AM)
Branded, You can only say the Yellow P-40 is overpriced if you haven't seen one. It's awesome. The landing gear aren't anyting at all like Robart's. Not even close. Maybe the reason you haven't seen a lot of them around is they just came out this year. A friend of mine is a Yellow dealer, so I got to see a bunch of their kits up close. Trust me, take a look first.

barnyard -> Branded (8/16/2003 3:10:02 AM)
Have you used all those retracts that you listed as best from 1 to 10????

branded -> Re: Branded (8/16/2003 4:42:06 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by barnyard Have you used all those retracts that you listed as best from 1 to 10???? [/QUOTE] Naw, just try'n to impress you.... :rolleyes:

YellowAircraft -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/16/2003 8:26:37 AM)
Branded, et al... Whether or not the Yellow P-40 is overpriced is, as always, up to the buyer. If you compare the price to the price of comparable kits, then it's not really a true statement even that it's expensive. Remember that this is not a scratch-build project. It's a complete kit. The landing gear for it specifically designed to eliminate some of the traditional problems with rotating gear. These gear are not generic. They are scale gear, composed of machined T-7 aluminum, brass and steel parts. They have twin air cylinders, and, as someone already said, the system is complete with all hoses, fittings quick-disconnects and adjustable valve.

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/16/2003 8:49:23 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by YellowAircraft Branded, et al... Whether or not the Yellow P-40 is overpriced is, as always, up to the buyer. If you compare the price to the price of comparable kits, then it's not really a true statement even that it's expensive. Remember that this is not a scratch-build project. It's a complete kit. The landing gear for it specifically designed to eliminate some of the traditional problems with rotating gear. These gear are not generic. They are scale gear, composed of machined T-7 aluminum, brass and steel parts. They have twin air cylinders, and, as someone already said, the system is complete with all hoses, fittings quick-disconnects and adjustable valve. [/QUOTE] And where did I say it's over priced? I commented on the cost of the retracts, not the airplane. I have to tell you Shaun, there's something inherently wrong with "dealers" perusing these forums and engaging in debates with ordinary "Joes" such as myself, in my opinion. It's clear you're here to "hawk your wares" and intend on projecting one narrow, and selfish point of view. This, omce again in my opinion, diminshes the usefuleness of these forums as we're getting a very biased point of view. I'm sure that Yellow Aircraft planes are satisfactory for some, but as I've stated before I think they're smallish in size, and as a result I would'nt consider buying one, and so that you know my opinion is balanced the same goes for the lot of Byron, aka Iron Bay aircraft. The trend is larger and these smallish birds are a bit dated IMO. But this is my opinion and those that believe otherwise are welcome to take it for what it's worth............. :rolleyes:

YellowAircraft -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/16/2003 11:01:43 AM)
Branded, Where did you say it's overpriced? In your post. "...expensive (excessively so)...do yourself a favor and steer clear of Yellow..." I am sorry if you think that just because I'm a dealer that my view is selfish or narrow or whatever. You know me well enough to say my opinion is so biased? Hmmm.....Everybody is biasd when you think about it. You're biased against Spring Air gear and biased in favor of Robart, right? "Do yourself a favor and steer clear of Yellow..." sounds pretty biased to me, too. You're entitled to your opinion, just like I am--dealer or not. Anyway, in my post, I kept the passionate favor I have toward the YAC P-40 out and just included FACTS. Facts are facts, bias or no bias. By the way, I perused (and posted in) these forums--AND owned a Yellow warbird long before I was a dealer :-) Don't get mad at me, you said the gear were exorbitantly priced, and I was just explaining the price. No biggie. If we might get back to the topic, however...... The Yellow P-40 is only a few inches smaller than the Ziroli, so it's not that big of a difference in size. I had a Ziroli P-40 (built for me by an actual Tuskeegee pilot here in San Diego!) and it wasn't that much bigger. I also had a Ziroli Skyraider! Of course, that one was 'smallish' compared to the fullsize one parked at Ramona field.......:-) I'm not sure what you mean about the 'trend' being toward bigger models, since bigger is a relative term. Bigger than what? I know a lot of people who think a 60-size warbird is big. Or a 120-size. I'm sure you get my point. Anyway, we're not all as trendy as we'd like to be!

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/17/2003 8:07:10 AM)
Well, I'm sorry. I thought I had made the point that I was talking about the retracts. Look, you have a nice little airplane, 80-ish sized, but nice. It's just not for me, and will never be. When you start to produce similar products in the 100" w/s, or greater, then I'll give you guys a serious look. Until them no matter how recent your airplane type may be, IMO, they're dated if they're only in the 80" w/s size. JMO. P.S. I'm still of the opinion that your repeated returns to this thread are inappropriate as you obviously have a conflict of interest here. The author was looking for unbiased opinions. Can you offer one up?

YellowAircraft -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/17/2003 12:28:06 PM)
Branded, If the author was looking for unbiased opinions, then I don't think you were of much help to him. You advised him to 'steer clear' of a kit you haven't seen, because of a bias against planes smaller than 100". As far as you thinking my presence here is inappropriate, well, much blood has been spilled for the preservation of your right to think that. May I suggest something though? Maybe you can read the opinions, information and commentary in a guy's posts in order to see how narrow, selfish or biased he is--don't just read his signature. Anyway, let's talk about airplanes, not this stuff. If you want to discuss the finer points of bias or narrow-mindedness, send me a PM or call the number in my signature :-)

BobH -> Yellow P-40 (8/17/2003 8:46:51 PM)
I for one, welcome dealer and mfg's responses. I can ( and I think others can as well ) sort out the facts from the spin. There is a huge amount of Mis-information on the net and it helps to hear it from someone who should at least know the facts about their product. I see no conflict of interest in response to a question where a person (dealers included) know the answer. And it is silly to discuss the value of anything regarding this Hobby (or any other for that matter). The value is relative to the person who looks at the product. You can pick and choose what you like and what you don't like.. its that simple!.. Regards BobH.

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/18/2003 1:16:50 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by YellowAircraft Branded, If the author was looking for unbiased opinions, then I don't think you were of much help to him. You advised him to 'steer clear' of a kit you haven't seen, because of a bias against planes smaller than 100". As far as you thinking my presence here is inappropriate, well, much blood has been spilled for the preservation of your right to think that. May I suggest something though? Maybe you can read the opinions, information and commentary in a guy's posts in order to see how narrow, selfish or biased he is--don't just read his signature. Anyway, let's talk about airplanes, not this stuff. If you want to discuss the finer points of bias or narrow-mindedness, send me a PM or call the number in my signature :-) [/QUOTE] Shaun, I don't need to visually see, and look at a product to know that it doesn't meet my needs, I only need to look at the advertisements, and base my opinion(s) on that information, and that alone, else why do you bother to advertise, eh? That's how consumers select a product, in case you didn't know. Your repeated returns to this thread reinforce my contention that your motivations are purely commercial and that your opinon is, not suprisingly, narrowly focused on what's best for Yellow, and you personally, and not the original poster. Here's my opinon one more time. I'm sorry if you do not agree with it, but I base it on your advertised specifications for the aforementioned product. Too small....Design dated as a result. The size is 1980-ish, and the advertised components for this sized aircraft are very much inflated, given they are peculiar to this aircraft, and this aircraft alone. So there's my opinon once more, based on my subjective point of view, as an ordinary consumer. Live with it Shaun. :rolleyes:

AirBearMA -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/18/2003 5:45:07 AM)
If you think that a 1/5 scale model airplane is so "1980"s then I must be a 80's lover. I happen to own a pair of 1/5 scale WW1 warbirds (Bristol Brisfit and Fokker DVII) and for me the Yellow Aircraft products fit what I will be looking for when I'm ready for a WWII warbird. I think their products in general are VERY high quality and for me, many of them are the scale size I want. It is all a matter of what you want to do and the resourses you have to do it. To try to diminish a company that produces a variety of excellent products because you consider them too small for anyone to own shows to me that someone has their head stuck up their exhaust port. The Bear in the Air...

hanna -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/18/2003 5:53:40 AM)
This is for Branded, the incessant complaining makes me write. This is my opinion- There is nothing wrong with the Ziroli planes if you are into sport-scale. This is my opinion. Mike Krizan

branded -> yellow aircraft p-40 (8/18/2003 7:11:11 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AirBearMA If you think that a 1/5 scale model airplane is so "1980"s then I must be a 80's lover. I happen to own a pair of 1/5 scale WW1 warbirds (Bristol Brisfit and Fokker DVII) and for me the Yellow Aircraft products fit what I will be looking for when I'm ready for a WWII warbird. I think their products in general are VERY high quality and for me, many of them are the scale size I want. It is all a matter of what you want to do and the resourses you have to do it. To try to diminish a company that produces a variety of excellent products because you consider them too small for anyone to own shows to me that someone has their head stuck up their exhaust port. The Bear in the Air... [/QUOTE] That's my point exactly, of course without the personal insults........ My opinion, is frankly my opinion, period. Why I have to constantly debate my opinion with a sales rep in these forums is beyond me. I simply don't like his product, period! There's no reason he has to diminish that opinion by engaging in a lenghty debate and a war of attrition. He's not going to change my mind. As for diminishing a company, you clearly miss the point. You get a unsatisfactory for reading comprehension.

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