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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/23/2012 11:24 PM   
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I decided not to go for the HK's....
Haven't gone that route before, don't want to start..

Wasn't the issue with the e-flights electrics, that the wires were pulling off the back of the motor?
A resolder, and silicone fixed it ?????

I saw this somewhere in the forums, just not sure where...

With all the issues with the electric retracts, the AIR seems to be the way to go....
Do it right the 1st time, and you will not have leaks or other issues....





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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 2:15 AM   
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With all the issues with the electric retracts, the AIR seems to be the way to go....
Do it right the 1st time, and you will not have leaks or other issues....


You're sure of that last bit?

It's certainly true for the experienced guys who have figured out what works right for them. I gotta say that in over 55+ years of modeling I can't think of a single air user I've met who hasn't paid for their experience, and not a one who didn't have some sad stories about those payments. I haven't met a single user who can pass on all his advice about how to insure reliable use in less than an hour... or so. And I've asked a bunch of them.



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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 2:34 AM   
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I'm a dyed in the wool user of pneumatic retracts and, thus far, have not seen any electric units that I would choose over a quality air retract. I can certainly understand the draw of electrics, and I'm sure they are the wave of the future, but at this point I am not convinced that the idea has been perfected to the point of being any more reliable than a properly installed set of quality air retracts.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 5:03 AM   
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It is that or train some hamsters to start running on wheels...

Why couldn't you set up a servo in the retracts and just use that...
I believe that is what H9 did with there 30cc mustang and p47.
It would be much more sturdy in these .60 size birds...

It seems that would be much more simpler......
But then, most people don't have high end radios, and do all that fancy Mixing....

People what the manufacture to include it with the package, a gear sequencer that is....
I believe that is where ALL the problems are .....
Pack volts ect...and it frys itself up...

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 5:13 AM   
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I'm a dyed in the wool user of pneumatic retracts and, thus far, have not seen any electric units that I would choose over a quality air retract. I can certainly understand the draw of electrics, and I'm sure they are the wave of the future, but at this point I am not convinced that the idea has been perfected to the point of being any more reliable than a properly installed set of quality air retracts.


There are electrics that are proving to be reliable. There don't appear to be any large ones yet. And the rotators are only available in 90 degree with no big ones, good or bad.

You're dead right about there being a lot of them that aren't perfected. A lot of them suck. But I've used Lado's since they came out. I think the first pair were installed in the spring of 2008. They've never missed a beat. Not once. And the 2nd pair have done the same since summer of the same year. My 3rd pair came from France and seemed to have better tolerances. So did the 4th pair. They haven't gotten as much use as the first 2. But have never given even a hint they won't be perfect until worn out.

Today, if I decided to do a 50cc or any warbird larger than my 60size (90powered) models, they would get air for sure. It's a shame that'd be the only sensible choice. It's also a shame there don't seem to be any choices in electrics beyond the limited one we have right now.

It might be we won't see large electrics anytime soon either.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 5:24 AM   
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Why couldn't you set up a servo in the retracts and just use that...
I believe that is what H9 did with there 30cc mustang and p47.



H9 advertises $450 electric Robarts for their 30cc P47. Don't know about the Mustang. Also haven't heard anyone report on those Robarts. That is getting close to twice the price of 60 size electics, and their price is a stretch for a lot of us. Of course, bigger is better and often can be about twice the price too.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 6:36 PM   
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With all the issues with the electric retracts, the AIR seems to be the way to go....
Do it right the 1st time, and you will not have leaks or other issues....


You're sure of that last bit?

It's certainly true for the experienced guys who have figured out what works right for them. I gotta say that in over 55+ years of modeling I can't think of a single air user I've met who hasn't paid for their experience, and not a one who didn't have some sad stories about those payments. I haven't met a single user who can pass on all his advice about how to insure reliable use in less than an hour... or so. And I've asked a bunch of them.




You guys are a hoot. I use electric retracts in my 90mm EDFs' and I use air for some of my heavier models. Electric and air both have their place and Ive yet to see definitively that one is better than the other yet. Electric has come a long way but is still in its infancy.

In regards to passing along advice, laughingly, Ive yet to talk to anyone that will listen to me talk about retracts for more than 10 or fifteen minutes before their eyes gloss over and they lose interest. Even though they asked. Some guys understand immediately the attention to detail and some dont until it bites em in flight. Have seen it many times.


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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 6:45 PM   
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Electric and air both have their place and Ive yet to see definitively that one is better than the other yet. Electric has come a long way but is still in its infancy.



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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/24/2012 6:54 PM   
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Instead of all this hating on retracts and the companies that sell them, maybe some of you should go buy a fixed gear bird. This is my first venture into retracts and all this fear mongering is getting very tiring to read. Perhaps a little support as far as what's happened to you senior pilots with retracts and how you've dealt with and overcome the problems. Or if you keep damaging your gear maybe you should learn to land properly before typing the gear is horrible. Just my opinion.
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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/25/2012 2:04 AM   
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Dan L. Had a pair in a Topflite FW 190 robart electrics and thay have been stout.

I may skip the retracts and use the stock gear.. Due to finances..'
Retracts of any brand will gen. Do great on pavement, it is when in the ruff they show if they can hold up.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/25/2012 3:24 AM   
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This is my first venture into retracts


From the point of view of an entrant, how did they install into your 60 size Corsair? How are they working? etc

Most of what has been said was from experience. Yours will certainly add to that data base.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/25/2012 5:50 AM   
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I haven't picked it up yet. Waiting to see how much I get in gift certs from the hobby shop for Christmas. I did my research. Liked the robustness of the Sierra's. However the deal I'm getting from the hobby shop on the robarts I can't pass up. I looked at the Lado's that you had mentioned and I even called the guys from Down and Locked. My problem with the electrics is that I cannot justify putting in a system that costs more than the aircraft itself. So I'm going with the pneumatic robarts. The side rails are thinner than the sierra's however the components are basically the same. To have them converted to electric will cost well over $400 after shipping fees. I realize the robustness of a side rail isn't going to help much with a nose down attitude so I'm going to have to keep my landing to three pointers. As far as guys bending struts, I've torn out many a fixed gear. So I've learned the hard way to put them down gently. I know that a Corsair will land much differently than my gp revolver, little Toni and eg raven. Also I have freed up my saito 180, no that's not a typo. After crunching some numbers and looking for an appropriate mount, it will fit. It will also solve some of the weight problems guys have had by having to add weight to the nose. So come Boxing Day with gift certs in hand I will pick up my plane and robart set and see if I can drill some holes in the sky come spring. If anyone has over powered this bird and tips whatsoever on what may be weak? I'm gonna have to strengthen the air frame in places.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/25/2012 5:45 PM   
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From the videos I have seen of this plane flying, it lands very easy, and quite slow for a warbird.
The only time I would be concerned about the retracts would be if I had a emergency landing, and cameup
Short, or if flying from a offroad runway....(bending or breaking that is)

I wonder if would be a big job to make the wing tips removable from the center.
Like the giant corsair?


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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/25/2012 10:38 PM   
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Merry Christmas all.
Wont be starting on the Corsair till after the new year but have been figuring out what I still need to get.
Got an OS 91 FS to power this girl. Will likely use a 3 blade prop, 14x7?
At present I plan to use the Robart gear with a Variable Rate Air Control Valve. If I end up getting an air kit that comes with plastic T-fittings they will be trashed. Ive had too many of those be leak points over the years. Been using AirPower T's from DreamworksRC with no issues so Im sure I will go that route again. http://dreamworksrc.com/catalog/fitting-three-p-818.html
Also would like to get some oleo's and nicer wheels. The wheels that come with the model just look too thin. Plus I dont care for foam when flying from grass wet with dew.
Once I look over the model better Im going to figure out if I want to remove the wheel tubs and mod the wing for gear doors.
Have a retractable tail wheel on the way so I see some mods there too.
Still deciding on what to do for a 1:8 scale pilot. Aces of Iron has a nice pilot but I would like more than a bust so Im thinking I may have to make my own.
I may add Nav and a landing light as well. The only two lights I see being a challenge is the wing tip lights. But Ive made tools before to be able to get lights routed thru an ARF so hopefully I can make it happen
Need to make guns barrels... at this rate I might not be flying till spring

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 1:14 AM   
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The wheels that come with the model just look too thin. Plus I dont care for foam when flying from grass wet with dew


Actually the wheels on the full scale are very thin as well in order to get them fully in the narrow wing section. If you intend to install the gear doors you may want to reconsider using what TF provides as I have found nothing else available that is nearly as thin.

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Still deciding on what to do for a 1:8 scale pilot. Aces of Iron has a nice pilot but I would like more than a bust so Im thinking I may have to make my own.


Check out the link below for a nice full body pilot in 1/8 scale. Matt is a super guy to deal with and he makes a nice product. I'm just not 100% certain he still offers the full body pilot. I'm sure he would respond to a PM sent via the RCG web site though.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=343283



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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 1:42 AM   
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Merry Christmas all.
Wont be starting on the Corsair till after the new year but have been figuring out what I still need to get.
Got an OS 91 FS to power this girl. Will likely use a 3 blade prop, 14x7?



The OS90 and OS95AX two cycles turn the Master Airscrew 14x7 excellently well. The FS probably will too, but probably won't get the top speed the 2Cycles can. Mine have clocked over 110mph, although I never fly them like that except at one warbird flyin that always has radar speed runs.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 4:43 AM   
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The wheels that come with the model just look too thin. Plus I dont care for foam when flying from grass wet with dew


Actually the wheels on the full scale are very thin as well in order to get them fully in the narrow wing section. If you intend to install the gear doors you may want to reconsider using what TF provides as I have found nothing else available that is nearly as thin.

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Still deciding on what to do for a 1:8 scale pilot. Aces of Iron has a nice pilot but I would like more than a bust so Im thinking I may have to make my own.


Check out the link below for a nice full body pilot in 1/8 scale. Matt is a super guy to deal with and he makes a nice product. I'm just not 100% certain he still offers the full body pilot. I'm sure he would respond to a PM sent via the RCG web site though.

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Fair point about the wheels. I will do some measuring for sure. And thanks for the heads up about the pilot.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 5:08 AM   
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Merry Christmas all.
Wont be starting on the Corsair till after the new year but have been figuring out what I still need to get.
Got an OS 91 FS to power this girl. Will likely use a 3 blade prop, 14x7?



The OS90 and OS95AX two cycles turn the Master Airscrew 14x7 excellently well. The FS probably will too, but probably won't get the top speed the 2Cycles can. Mine have clocked over 110mph, although I never fly them like that except at one warbird flyin that always has radar speed runs.


Were the speed runs at CCRC by chance? Their warbird flyin is as you describe but I havent been to it in a few years.
Agreed that the OS90's are good for speed. Ive had a couple myself, one with a pipe and a 12x8 APC. Could get over the 100 mark without breaking a sweat.
I dont know as much about 3 blade props as Id like so I'll be paying attention to see what others are using on their 91 FS's or similar. Id like to maintain as much semblance of scale as possible. Given the top speed of the full sized Corsair anything over about 60mph straight and level will be faster than scale I think. At this point Im more concerned about good thrust and landing characteristics given the weight Im dreaming of adding.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 5:17 AM   
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Merry Christmas every one.  I got one of these nice birds just before xmas as a gift to my self.  I still havn't decided what to do for retracts, but I still have a few months till the snow clears.  I  just picked up a DLE20 with a Jtec, and I plan to do bit of detailing and basic weathering.  

My question is has anyone installed a retractable tail wheel?  And if so, how did you do the install and gear doors?  Pictures would be nice if anyone has.  Have a few other projects on the table, but I can't wait to start this bird.  It will be my first Corsair.


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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 5:54 AM   
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I was considering picking up some robart struts for the TF Corsair.  I fly off a grass field thats somewhat smooth . the struts are somewhat pricey, but since I have come this far I have a few questions....

Will the strut fit the stock wheel well configuration?
 
Are they that beneficial to have?

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 10:12 AM   
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I was considering picking up some robart struts for the TF Corsair.  I fly off a grass field thats somewhat smooth . the struts are somewhat pricey, but since I have come this far I have a few questions....

Will the strut fit the stock wheel well configuration?
 
Are they that beneficial to have?

Any help on this matter is appreciated.



The Robart struts work on all the 60 size warbirds I've had experience with. They work far better for me than wire with a coil in it. A lot better. There is none of the sideways stagger wire gives.

The scissors would be the only unique detail that might interfere with the stock wheel well configuration, and they come down behind the wheel/tire so don't encounter wing at all.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 2:41 PM   
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I am using Robo-Struts on mine and so far, when I did a test fit, did not find any interference issues.

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/26/2012 11:17 PM   
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HooRAY....
I recieved my corsair today.... NO DAMAGE!!!!
WOW.... It is a really nice plane...
Covering was PERFECT....Topflite did a really NICE job.
It appears it wouldn't be a issue to make the wing tips removable, so you could leave the middle wing attatched to the plane while transporting.

If I had more cash, I would purchase TWO!....

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RE: I Saw it! TF 60 Size Corsair ARF!!!!! - 12/27/2012 4:53 AM   
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Wow,

Lucky you! I removed the awful covering off of mine yesterday, and I'm equally disappointed with what they hid with the covering. LOTS of places where the wood wasn't glued together where it really needed to be PLUS the CA hinges popped free with VERY little effort so you guys might want to consider re-hinging those. I wish I had gotten one of those nice ones! I'm going to go over mine with some CA, then some filler, then some fine sanding pads, then some glass. I've decided to use the 615's I have with Robo-struts and make the mods I've read about to prevent the twist-me/trip-me thing. I guess I had the newbie/trainee on my covering job...

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