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ORIGINAL: wattsup

Andrew, thanks for your response. I think you have made a wise choice in the surprise request of 4-6 planes. You can never be too careful! I choose to ignore the other two responses for obvious reasons. Perhaps it's time to contact some of these sponsors and suggest a case by case review prior to spending any more of my money with them! Maybe I'll start with Futaba. Take care and I wish you continued success Andrew. Regards, Everette

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ORIGINAL: rcpattern

Everette,

I'm still waiting on your design to come out. If this is so easy to produce a perfect airplane, then why don't you just jump on in. Once again, you have criticized EVERY plane that hits the market. I would happily put my Wind S Pros up against anything out there, and I'm sure Andrew would his Sparks, however NO airplane is perfect. Any modifications that had to be corrected took no more than an hour or so, and then it was good as new....I was able to put my second Wind S together in a weekend...go ahead, build a kit to the same quality as that plane for less money....there....that should be your challenge. I want to see you develop all of the necessary tooling, molds, and everything associated with a plane, and then produce a quality composite airframe for less...or even better than that, produce something that will be equal quality to the Vanquish and or Osiris for equal or less money.

I think I speak for about 99% of the people in the pattern community, when I say, if you REALLY want to help pattern, then GO AWAY!!! You think you are doing everyone a favor, when in actuality you are the one who is hurting pattern's reputation. I haven't found too many manufacturers, if ANY that wont try to fix a problem if it exists. Do you really think that once word got out of an inferior product that people would continue to buy it??? Seriously, do you assume that ALL of us are stupid. I can't believe that at no point you received a kit or anything else in your life that EVERY piece of wood was perfect, or you have NEVER had an engine/motor issue. But yet, you refuse to accept that things in this world aren't perfect, and as long as the manufacturer is willing to stand behind that product, then what else can you ask for.

I as still waiting for the equipment list that I asked for previously, since we are ALL doing it wrong. Maybe all of the manufacturers should just give up on pattern, because NONE of them make any money from it...the market is too small. Don't you think if you could actually make a LOT of money at it, that Horizon, Great Planes, and others would be dying to produce a 2m pattern plane? Amazing how all of them tend to lean toward 1.20 to 35% scale aerobatic planes....or maybe both of them are too stupid to see the real advantages of pattern, and how to make a fortune off of it.

The last time I checked, even Mercedes, Lamborghini, and Ferrari dealerships have service departments....I wonder why that is???

And yes, Everette, I did fly this evening....gotta spend every waking moment thinking about my lessons I will receive this year at the NATS....NOT!!!...I have a family and life, and a rather satisfying job with the US Navy helping guys who are deployed. Trust me, I'd LOVE to win the NATS, but I get much more enjoyment and satisfaction out of helping a new guy learn to fly, or the days my club spends with the boy scouts, or better yet, the emails we get at work thanking us for what we developed that may have helped save lives in nasty places on this planet.

Arch

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ORIGINAL: ExFokkerFlyer

With all this bickering, no wonder the sport is dying.

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ORIGINAL: wattsup

Ain't it great? I feel good about myself, how about you? Mission accomplished!.........

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ORIGINAL: CLRD2LAND

Everette,
    I can understand what you are trying to convey....slightly.  I would suggest to you that a ''new pattern flyer'' is not going to start in Advanced, Masters or FAI.  A ''new pattern flyer'' is going to be looking for a solution to finding an aircraft that allows him/her to try out the sport to find out if it is what her/she enjoys doing.  A ''new pattern flyer'' is going to be impressed with how smoothly a pattern-type aircraft flies compared to a sport aircraft.  Give them a Kaos and they are going to love the tracking and how easy it is to look smooth.  The point is that with your ''observations'' of things that do not exist yet, you are going to scare the bejesus out of a persepective pattern pilot.  A Sportsmen and even an Intermediate pilot aren't going to fly as good as the airplane is capable of.  I've seen people take an Edge 540 and win these clases against 2M aircraft.
   I have never met Andrew nor have I ever flown one of his airplanes.  I simply cannot wait until these hit the market.  Why is it now that this particular facet of our sport has declined?  It's the cost associated with said facet.  Why is contest attendance down?  It because the majority of fliers cannot afford to compete with current 2 meter planes and all the necessary equipment.    Seems to me that it's all about the cost. Andrew is providing a way to change this.  Andrew is bringing to the market a way for even seasoned pilots to stay in the hunt.  Why a 2M ship?  Because they present better, are more visible and simply fly better.  Pick up a LA-1 that is the best flying LA-1 ever, fly it and then pick up any of the current planes that isn't even well trimmed.  I'm not talking about a specific maneuver or sequence, I'm talking about flying it around smoothly.  There is a huge difference.  If Andrew can even potentially provide something like this at a cost that a sport flier can get in to, why poopoo something or throw up red flags before it's even here?  Why not reserve judgement?  My guess is this will be something that will increase the numbers of pattern fliers.
  Like I said, I can appreciate how you are trying to look out for the perspective new guy but if I were that new guy, I'd be scared to death to fly anything in pattern.  I wouldn't want to spend a penny on pattern and would run away screaming out of fear to purchase anything.  How about we give things a chance?  Andrew has proven himself as a mentor, pilot and plane designer in the past.  His current Osiris doesn't have these ''issues'' that you are so worried about so what gives you the inclination that the same thing...only bigger would all of a sudden develop this issue?  Andrew wouldn't be doing what he is doing if he couldn't control quality to some extent and I guarantee you that he will be on top of it.
   Like Arch asked, out of curiousity, what is your setup?  I hope you will not avoid this question again?  These are rhetorical but....what kind of vehicle do you drive?  Who built your house?  Is there any restaurant out there you dare frequent?  I just can't imagine living my life like that Everette.  This is important....if a manufacturer backs his product like has been brought up in this post before, what more can you honestly ask for from them?  I have heard nothing but positive results from Andrew and his distibutors if (in the rare event) something needs attention.
   If you really want to help the new guy, be positive.  There is a point where being proactive is actually a detriment and I would suggest you are at that point if this is how you approach everything.  Actually, my guess is you're doing this to get a rise out of people.  Be honest, you have a nuclear bomb shelter under your house huh.