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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 5/10/2012 4:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		for 30cc, the 3dhs 74" Edge is the hot ticket right now. Of course, you can't go wrong with a 71 Gas Slick either. I own both and elected to go electric in both the 74 edge and 71 slick. I am tempted, however, to convert the 74 Edge to a 30cc Gasser since the kit comes with both parts for an electric or gas setup.

I love profiles too. I've had the baby sabre and several DW foamies. The electric DW foamy profiles are hands down the easiest to fly 3D out of anything I own and are actually amazingly precise.

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 5/26/2012 1:47 AM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 5/26/2012 12:51 PM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 5/28/2012 6:22 AM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 5/28/2012 11:35 AM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 8/15/2012 5:55 PM   
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What about the Extras? They are available in various Avataars- 260, 300, 330 etc. What are the differences between them?

What about the ultimate Bipes?

Also what about the non-scale ones like the Reactors

I will list out all the ones that I have and which can do 3D. Just want to know the hierarchy

GP Extra 300SP 55''- 55AX
GP Reactor 46 -75AX
GP Reactor Bipe- FS-91SII
CMPro Quest 50 55'' FS72A
Phoenix Topstar 3D -FS91SII (Its the same as UCD60, FLIP3D, Frenzy 90 etc)
Phoenix Yak 54 64''-95ax
Phoenix Extra 330s 62''- 95ax
H9 Funtana 125- 120ax
AW Yak 90-120QB- 120ax or DLE20 (I am about to get this one)

Also have the Seagull Edge 540 46 but it isint exactly 3D

Yes, I know, quite a few. Only Topstar and Reactor-46 are flight ready, others are in boxes. But I need to make a decision on my next one soon, the Topstar frame is ageing.

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Funtana with DLE 20, and you wont want to fly most of those on that list. Example, Phoenix Extra 330s is junk I have one.

Send most of those you have back to Tower and get another Funtana or look at 3D Hobby Shop AJ Slick or Velox if you want to do 3D

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 8/15/2012 6:05 PM   
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The Slick is a good bird no doubt but for me I would have to consider the fact that the Funtana 125 has about 100 more squares of wing. For those considering bigger gas engines that could make a difference. The way I read it is 9.5 lbs and just over 1100 inches of wing vs 10 lbs and just over 1000 inches of wing. For 3D work I am going to take that into consideration although 10 lbs on 1000 squares certainly isn't a deal killer in my eyes. In my experience much over 10 lbs on 1000 squares starts to get real squirrely. Just my two cents.


I have the Funtana with a DLE 20 and it weighs exactly 10 pounds on the nose. It is VERY light and Floaty. Don't rely on the H9 published weight, I have not yet had one come in under the maximum of the range. If they say 8.5-9.5 mine ends up at 10 and I have over a dozen H9 and they are always over weight (built exactly to plans, no I'm not doing anything to add the extra)
I am also building a 3DHS with a DLE30 right now. Not done yet but it will definately weight around 11 pounds I already have enough on it to weigh it and I threw the extra parts not yet on in the bay and it will finish right around 11. Others I have met told me 10.5 was realistic with the DLE 30.

Yes, my scale is accurate its a postage scale I have calibrated it and validated against other scales.



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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/28/2012 3:07 AM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/28/2012 12:43 PM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/28/2012 1:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		issue with the Funtana 125 is that it is very poorly built and spare wings are pricey,
I reckon the DLE30 will thump it too pieces within 6 months of regular flying.
3DHS Slick or their Edge 540 will be ideal.
Or one of the Pilot-Rc 25% or even the Goldwing 25% birds are excellent. The latter is now making a concerted effort to improve the availability of spares (www.goldwingrc.com)

I'd also give Tim at RedWingRC a call and talk to him about a 30cc MSX-R. I'm planning on getting one from him as soon as I get back from taking the wife away on holiday

Anything aerobatic looking from Phoenix, Black HOrse, Seagull, GreatPlanes and Horizon are really just Sport aerobats with limited IMAC capability. They're built too heavy for 3D or really extreme manoeuvres.
I.e Try a descending Knife edge with a GP Ultimate and you'll be picking up the pieces. It will snap out on you and rock its way back to earth, probably nose first too because tail heavy it won't go very far.
The 3DHS, Pilot RC, GOldwing, RedWing, Skyline RC, EG aircraft 30cc all fly very light on the wing.

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/29/2012 12:52 AM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/29/2012 12:44 PM   
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The Slick is a good bird no doubt but for me I would have to consider the fact that the Funtana 125 has about 100 more squares of wing. For those considering bigger gas engines that could make a difference. The way I read it is 9.5 lbs and just over 1100 inches of wing vs 10 lbs and just over 1000 inches of wing. For 3D work I am going to take that into consideration although 10 lbs on 1000 squares certainly isn't a deal killer in my eyes. In my experience much over 10 lbs on 1000 squares starts to get real squirrely. Just my two cents.


I have the Funtana with a DLE 20 and it weighs exactly 10 pounds on the nose. It is VERY light and Floaty. Don't rely on the H9 published weight, I have not yet had one come in under the maximum of the range. If they say 8.5-9.5 mine ends up at 10 and I have over a dozen H9 and they are always over weight (built exactly to plans, no I'm not doing anything to add the extra)
I am also building a 3DHS with a DLE30 right now. Not done yet but it will definately weight around 11 pounds I already have enough on it to weigh it and I threw the extra parts not yet on in the bay and it will finish right around 11. Others I have met told me 10.5 was realistic with the DLE 30.

Yes, my scale is accurate its a postage scale I have calibrated it and validated against other scales.




I have an X100, however I am simply not pleased with the way the plane flies. I am sure it is engine angle or something. If you knife edge it wants to go toward the wheels way more than any other airframe I have. Overall it seems setup as good as any. It has a Saito 1.25 with good power to weight, etc. Just doesn't handle in the air like my other birds.

It is floaty as you state and you can do anything under the sun you can imagine with it. If I could just figure out how to get it to handle better on knifes and such. I don't think mine has 20 flights on it and is pristine. I should pull the engine and mount and play with thrust angles some as I bet that is the issue.

Gade, if you have any tips/solutions it would be greatly appreciated. Maybe send me a PM that way we won't hi-jack the thread

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/29/2012 4:20 PM   
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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 9/30/2012 7:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also if the CG is too far aft, the resulant trim causes tuck to the gear in KE. If possible move the battery forward, retrim, and see if that coupling improves.

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 10/1/2012 7:52 PM   
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Climb 45 degrees and do a half roll inverted, if the nose drops its nose heavy, if the nose climbs its tail heavy.

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 10/1/2012 8:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right on. Or just fly around a bit inverted and it should take just a bit of forward pressure to hold the nose up unless it's a war bird. Or on a completely neutral 3D setup may feel identical to upright.

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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 10/1/2012 10:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		THe X100 has a fairly chunk airfoil.
These are just plain crap airfoils for knife edge flight. Every single chunky airfoil plane I've treid out has the same por knife edge flight characteristics. The only exception is the Funtana 125 and Showtime 90. Hangar has got something right with these but the former really needs to be built stronger while the latter should be revived. Its out of production and was replaced by the Futana. Pity. The Showtime simply knife edges forever with the SFG's fitted


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RE: What seperates the diffrent typs of 3D Birds - 10/6/2012 5:10 AM   
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Figure 8 KE and slow point rolls and harrier rolls no problem, just keep working the set up. My skills are only moderate at best.

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