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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/13/2003 3:04:54 AM   
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I wanted to get one of these 1.2Ghz systems you are all talking about. I was going to buy from Tinywireless and he just got his stock. I just read a few places that 1.2Ghz is illegal for use to use. So you guys are just breaking the law?
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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/13/2003 3:19:19 AM   
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I think tehnically they are not allowed. But, the signal is not powerful enough to get caught. Unless, that is, you use it nea an airport, or an army base.

I also will be carrying the 2.4 ghz systems for those of you that want to be on the "safe side"

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/13/2003 3:28:42 AM   
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Something is wrong with your e-mail. Everytime I send something I get this back:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

[email]wirelesscameras2001@yahoo.com[/email]
(ultimately generated from [email]info@tinywireless.com[/email])
host lookup did not complete: retry timeout exceeded

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/13/2003 3:30:35 AM   
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Thanks for letting me know. Please send emails here for now: [email]wirelesscameras2001@yahoo.com[/email]

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/13/2003 4:32:26 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by reznikvova
I think tehnically they are not allowed. But, the signal is not powerful enough to get caught. Unless, that is, you use it nea an airport, or an army base.[/QUOTE]

Spoken truly like teenager... if you don't get caught, it must be ok?

As USA vendor of wireless equipment it is not ethical for you to suggest people break USA laws... or do you think different?

David

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/13/2003 5:33:52 AM   
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You guys are all breaking the law?

Basically, anything that transmits with more power than the small units designed to monitor your baby's room, etc., is illegal in the USA without a license. This includes the 2.4 ghz band. Most of these advertise a range of around 300 feet. I am guessing their power is around 5 mw. Judging by the number of illegal systems being sold via various sources on the Internet, I believe it will not be long until the legal users of the higher power units will be forced to complain to the FCC. It is a shame that users are being led to believe that higher power is necessary for acceptable results. A little ingenuity is all that is necessary. If you insist on using higher power, get your Ham license. It's relatively easy, and also fun. Check it out at:

http://www.arrl.org/hamradio.html

Later;

D.W.

< Message edited by d_wheel -- Aug 13 2003 1:48AM >

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/21/2003 3:51:15 AM   
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I think I'll contact the president of our local radio club and find out what frequencies I can broadcast from with a licenses. I'd whether play it safe then get in trouble for something I could have prevented.

Thanks again for your help


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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/21/2003 3:52:29 AM   
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One more quick question. What type of setup do you use?


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Re: You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/21/2003 4:20:34 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SUPERSPORT
I wanted to get one of these 1.2Ghz systems you are all talking about. I was going to buy from Tinywireless and he just got his stock. I just read a few places that 1.2Ghz is illegal for use to use. So you guys are just breaking the law? [/QUOTE]

i won't tell if you don't...it's not like were comitting murder or something!!!

john

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Re: Re: You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/23/2003 9:22:59 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jboy381
i won't tell if you don't...it's not like were comitting murder or something!!! [/QUOTE]

Until you cause full size airliner to crash from reckless use of equipment. Read other threads about what this frequency is REALLY used for.

I.P. addresses are logged, there is no such thing as anonymous posts. Think twice before admitting use of illegal equipment.

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/23/2003 9:27:58 PM   
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thats the very problem with this country, laws are definate black and white, we have managed to shade them all grey.

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/25/2003 11:43:19 AM   
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Right, about a month ago I purchased a 1.2Ghz wireless r/c camera system off eBay. I'm still waiting for the dirtball to ship it. In the meantime, I discover this forum and just finished reading all the threads only to find to my disgust that 1.2Ghz is illegal.

I just did a search on goggle.com for 1.2Ghz video and came up with countless businesses selling 1.2Ghz systems for everything from nanny cams to r/c planes.

So then, since it is ILLEGAL to use 1.2Ghz for anything besides airnav, why are they even allowed to market and sell these video transmitters on that frequency in the USA?

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/25/2003 7:41:58 PM   
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Not all 1.2Ghz systems are illegal...there is a small part of that band that is reserved for amateur television use (with a ham license). Problem is that these hong kong units that are advertised as 1200Mhz are actually transmitting below that and overlapping the GPS signals that aircraft utilize for positioning and autopilot! If you have a doubt, find your local ham club and have them test your unit with a frequency meter.

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/25/2003 10:44:54 PM   
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The unit I purchased is not an import. It is supposed to be made in the USA. This is the company: CISG, Inc And they sell market all sorts of wireless cam's on 1.2 Ghz. And they do not specifiy anywhere in their advertising on their website or on their ebay auction that you need a Technician license or that their is any legality or interference issues at all.

I think that if their is a legality or issue, and more importantly a safety issue then sales of these units should be halted!

http://www.cisginc.com/

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You guys are all breaking the law? - 8/25/2003 11:47:59 PM   
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quote:

I think that if their is a legality or issue, and more importantly a safety issue then sales of these units should be halted!
There are many licensed users that agree with you. But, the laws are directed mostly at the use of the equipment, not the sale of it.

Many of the ebay and online catalog firms that offer wireless transmitters are just small organizations. In rare cases they are sometimes just under-aged kids at the helm. Really. The legal and technical standards are not in their best interests to push in the face of their customers (that assumes that the vendor is even aware of such things).

I would imagine that if the online vendors went out of their way to determined that a user was not licensed to use the RF product, and refused to sell to them, then they would end up with very few sales opportunities. I also have the feeling that many of the sellers could care less that the user would be in violation if the RF device was used.

FWIW, many reputable ham equipment suppliers will not sell such devices to unlicensed users. They will ask for your call sign and then check it against the ham database, where it must match the buyer's address. Others have obvious warning signs on their web sites. Vendors such as SuperCircuits.com go out of their way to make it clear what cataloged devices require which license (ham, commercial, none).

So, the end user is the one that needs to be aware of these small details. Since there are "legal" licensed required applications for the RF devices it does not make sense to ban them altogether.

Lastly, many of the imported wireless video devices are actually illegal to bring into the states (due to eavesdropping laws). But given that these tiny video transmitters are often shipped by postal mail to the US vendor (or direct to the customer), they easily slip through. Heck, US Customs is so distracted from budget cuts that you could bring them in by ship born containers and not worry about confiscation.

{Fatherly mode on}
Folks, it is such a benefit (the basic technical education is priceless) to have a ham technician's license and obtaining one is not at all a hardship. I continue to be surprised that folks will jump through hoops to avoid getting theirs. Just visit arrl.com to see what is required. Cost to take the test is usually under $10. Little old grandma's with little technical background have gotten their ham ticket. Why not you?
{Fatherly mode off}

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closetflyer - 9/2/2003 6:30:00 PM   
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[QUOTE]Until you cause full size airliner to crash from reckless use of equipment. Read other threads about what this frequency is REALLY used for. [/QUOTE]

David/Closetflyer, Please tell us what it is REALLY used for please.

WOOD

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