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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/13/2003 11:11:43 AM   
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    I bought the GSP Katana to fill the gap for a somewhat large, somewhat scale, 'every day' 3D-capable aerobat. After considering many engine choices I ended up using a used OS 1.60fx with a Bisson Pitts muffler, Perry VP30 pump, Mezjlik 18x6 prop. After assembly and test flying I'm convinced that this is a near-perfect combination. The first two flights of this plane were nothing short of amazing...I have never seen a plane of this size that flew so well.

    During assembly I changed some things around:

    1. I replaced the aluminum anti-rotation pins in the tail with a CF tube that extends from one stab half, through the fuse, then into the other stab half. A bit lighter and stronger.

    2. I pinned the firewall and ran thin CA around every joint I could get to from the engine box to the wing tube.

    3. Instead of adding washers to achieve the proper thrust angles, I mounted the OS 160fx squarely in the mount then using a belt sander I sanded the rear beams of the engine mounts until the proper angles were achieved. The cowl will completely clear the OS 160fx...only holes for the glow ignitor and needles are required.

    4. I enlarged the servo hole in the side of the engine box so I could stuff a micro servo behind the firewall for the throttle. This provides a 'straight-shot' to the throttle with no bends in the pushrod. What more could you ask for? I covered the hole with clear Ultracote.

    5. That heavy (8.9 oz) fiberglass landing gear had to go so I made some carbon fiber gear (around 5 oz) for this plane (available soon at [url]www.fiber-lite.com[/url]). I have never used fiberglass gear, but I recently witnessed a flying buddy's Creek Staudacher shatter it's fiberglass gear on the second landing...not much of an impact either...I don't think that the GSP Katana's gear would hold up any better.

    6. This plane leaves alot to the imagination when it comes to installing the fuel tank, receiver and receiver pack. I wanted my tank near the CG and didn't feel like using the supplied tank so I used a Hayes (my favorite) 16 oz. For the fuel tank I glued a couple 1/8" x 3/4" ply beams across the inner-most topside wing tube brackets, then padded and wrapped the tank (using vet-wrap), and zip-tied the tank firmly around the wing tube. Seems to be VERY solid. The receiver was padded and secured to the back of the wing tube bracket with velcro. The battery pack was padded and secured to the front of the wing tube bracket, but after test-flying I will move it to the back to shift the CG further aft.

    7. I didn't feel like fooling around with the stock linkage and horns so I used #332 Robart 1" ball link horns for the ailerons and elevators, 'home brew' carbon fiber 4-40 pushrods and dubro 4-40 ball links attached to dubro HD servo arms (I'm NOT a big fan of these, but I wanted to check the geometry before ordering aluminum ones from SWB). On the rudder I used the same types of pushrods. I made a much larger (3 5/16" hole to hole) carbon fiber servo horn to enable full travel of the rudder while maintaining the 'parallelogram' linkage geometry. At the rudder I used parts from the #886 Dubro HD control horn system and some 8-32 threaded rod going all the way through. If you look closely at the pictures you may notice that the screw plates for the aileron and elevator horns aren't visible on the tops of the surfaces...that's because they aren't there! I drilled 1/8" holes at the screw locations, soaked the wood with thin CA, redrilled, installed lengths of inner nyrod and CAd them in place. I find that this is easier to do than trying to get the screws to match up to the screw plate on the opposite side of the horn, plus it looks a helluva lot cleaner and is super rigid and strong. Anyway, the horns and linkage are probably overoverkill but to me it's worth the added expense (around $25-$30) for the amount of peace-of-mind it provides.

    8. I used a 10-22 lb Sullivan tailwheel bracket...the stock tailwheel looks like someone's idea of a practical joke.

    9. I added 18g of lead to the left wingtip to correct the lateral imbalance.

    10. I added a homemade fiberglass tube down the bottom of the fuselage interior to route the elevator and rudder servo leads through. I routed the antenna wire along the top interior of the fuselage (far away from the servo leads) all the way back to under the rudder servo.

    Still reading this? Good. For radio gear I used (2) Hitec HS-5925 digitals for the ailerons, (3) Futaba S9402 for the elevators and rudder, and a Hitec HS-81 micro for the throttle. Currently installed is an old Hitec Supreme 8 ch (50.800Mhz) and a Nimh 1650mah 5-cell pack. Yes, I have more money in the servos than the airframe and engine (bought used) combined...but man, do those surfaces MOVE! If you want to know my radio setup just let me know...I use a JR 10x and can email you my setup file if you want it.

    I didn't have a chance to weight the plane but it feels very light for it's size. My CG with everything installed ended up being about 1/2" behind the recommended CG range. Since I find that most aft-CG recommendations are typically on the VERY conservative side, I decided to leave it where it was for initial flights. The engine fired up without hesitation and I taxied it out onto the runway. I took off at about 3/4 throttle when WHAM! I hit a light pole. Just kidding...the plane flew off very nicely. I circled around, added maybe two beeps of right aileron and one beep of up elevator. I gained a bit of altitude and then pointed her straight up to check how it was tracking. The rudder and engine thrust looked correct. I kicked up the low rates to middle rates and did some loops and rolls. Nice. A few more loops and rolls then I slowed down to see what landings would be like. No wing wobble or stall at very slow speeds. Great. Next tried some knife edge with my 'approximate' elevator and aileron compensation mixing turned on. Pretty close on the mixes and the plane tracked BEAUTIFULLY in knife edge. Tried some high-alpha knife edge but found that my mixes were getting kinda wacky toward the ends of the rudder travel...I've got the elevator and aileron mixes setup as point-curve types so that very fine-tuning of KE mixes is possible. I'll get it nailed with more flights. OK, now time to land her. Setup on approach, cut the throttle to 1/4 and basically watched it land. Too easy.

    At this time I'm thinking to myself 'Wow...what a great flying plane!', but I hadn't seen anything yet. The second flight I decided to get a bit more aggresive and fly like I normally do. I pegged the throttle on take-off and the plane was in the air and climbing in maybe twenty feet. Pointed it straight up and did some axial rolls while watching the Katana get smaller and smaller. Hammerhead, cuban eight, then set up for a hover. Held the hover for about two seconds then the plane began to torque roll like a top! WOW! I was so shocked at how axial the TR was that I froze and fell out of it. At this time I was still on middle rates so I kicked it up to high rates...FULL surface travel. I went on a shallow upline and added quite a bit of elevator to see at what point the plane would snap...it didn't...it did a PERFECT 'wall'. I was so freakin' happy that I yelled at a flying buddy and said 'Man, you have GOT to see this!'. I was flying dead level at about 1/4 throttle setting up for another 'wall'. I pulled the elevator, the plane pitched up perfectly then we heard a loud 'POP'. Oh crap. I brought the Katana in as fast as I could. We immediately noticed that some sheeting had split near the end of the (very short) wing tube. I disassembled the plane and we were looking over the wings. One guy looked down the inside of the wing and said 'well...there's the problem'. I took a peek and noticed (for the first time) that the grain of the shear webbing was running parallel with the top and bottom spar caps. The shear webbing had split from the leveraging force being applied by the wing tube. When it all let go it split some of the ribs while the top and bottom surfaces of the wing were trying to get away from each other. I was bummed! Not because of the fact that the plane had broken, but because I couldn't fly it any more that day! I really wanted to see how elevators and harriers were with this plane. Judging from the 'wall' they should be excellent.

    I called GiantScalePlanes and told them how great the plane flew and how the wing had popped at the shear webbing. Irwin promised to send me a new set of wings and asked that I took pics of the damage and sent it to him...which I did. Maybe I got a bad set of wings and the rest have the shear webbing grain in the right direction...so look down YOUR wing and post your findings.

    The fix: I removed the covering from the three bays where the damage occurred. Using 3/16" medium balsa I made and installed shear webs in the three bays between the end of the wing tube and the wing servo. Then I used popsickle sticks and glued one to the top and bottom spar and to the rib in front of the wing tube. The other was glued to the same rib behind the wing tube (see the pics). I hope that this fix will do the trick. I'm dying to fly this plane again and don't want the wings pulling off during one of my very violent blenders.

    Even though there is a serious issue with the wings I still think that this is an incredible airplane. Sure, the covering leaves a little to be desired but I bought this plane to FLY not to stare at. The workmanship is better than most others ARFs I've seen...all the parts are nicely laser cut and the fit of the parts is near perfect. The covering scheme is very visible in the air and greatly contrasting top from bottom. You certainly don't have to think too long about which side is 'up'. For the price it can't be beat IMO. I'm going to buy another one of these just so I can have a backup...

    -Tom

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/13/2003 11:16:09 AM   
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    Here's some pics so you can see what I'm talking about:

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    Have fun,
    -Tom

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/13/2003 11:22:53 AM   
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    -Tom

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/13/2003 7:01:52 PM   
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    Awesome wright up, except for that " 3/4 throttle when WHAM! I hit a light pole " comment, darn near spit coffee all over my monitor. Way to early for that kind of shock.

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/13/2003 10:33:42 PM   
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    I love the write up, great Job. I have been planning for sometime on making the GSP Katana my next plane. I have a couple of questions for you:

    1. did you have to add nose weight, most posts on this plane recommends moving the elevator servos forward to prevent having to add nose weight with an OS 1.60?

    2. have you considered CF wing tube? If so where could you fing one?

    3. Can you give more details on the CF tail support?

    4. How did you attach the wings I have heard a lot of negative comments on the factory way of getting to the weak springs?

    5. Is it hard to remove the wings through the small opening? I was considering cutting out the canopy area and making a hatch/removable canopy?

    6. Was your covering transparent as so many were?

    7. Servos-servos-servos, I have been contemplating hard on my servo selection. Cost vs. weight vs. torque vs. speed. It is driving me crazy. I would love to go with hitec digitals and get the programmer and eliveate the need for a reversiny y harnace, but that is really costly. What torque would you recommend on each surface?


    I know this is a lot of questions, but from your AWSOME write up it seems like you dont mind typing.....LOL


    Thanks for the write up

    Watch out for the light poles......LOL

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/14/2003 12:54:05 AM   
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    Thanks. I know the post is long...I'm sure it's my longest yet. Perhaps it should have been titled 'Too much coffee'.

    Now to answer your questions:

    1. No extra nose weight was required to get it to balance near the aft recommended CG. IMHO, people who are adding nose weight or moving the servos amidships to get the CG in the recommended range are doing the airframe a great injustice...my CG is still too far forward for my liking. I consider any CG recommendation to be just that...it's not a 'limit'. You gotta fly the plane to find the sweet spot. I spend the first ten or so flights of any plane working on setup (CG, mixing, thrust line, etc.). If you spend the time on the planes it will show...if you don't it will show. Too many people think the work is done after the first successful flight. To me it's just beginning...

    2. The wing tube is 30mm. Finding an off the shelf CF tube might be tough. I considered making one but don't think it would be worth the trouble. Maybe later...

    3. The CF tube I used is roughly the same diameter as the anti rotation pins. The CF tube extends all the way through the fuselage whereas the pins only penetrate part way. When you build it you'll know what I'm talking about.

    4. You can make a tool from music wire to hook the springs. The tool should be long enough to go all the way through the fuselage, hook onto the spring, then you can pull the spring tight. After I pull one spring through the fuselage I use 1/8" bamboo skewers to temporarily hold it in place while I'm stretching the other spring through the fuselage. I stick another skewer through the other spring, slide the wing on, then stretch the springs over the eyebolts. Works OK but I think I'm going to opt for another set of bolts to hold the wing to the fuse and do away with the springs altogether. I could save a few ounces this way and I'm sure that it would be strong enough...plus the springs are a pain.

    5. A top-access hatch would be nice but I didn't feel like putting the effort in. The small hatch provides enough room to get to the servo leads and wing bolts.

    6. I'm sure the covering on mine is just as good (or bad) as everyone elses. I'm very picky on the things I BUILD but not very picky about the things I ASSEMBLE.

    7. I hate to say this but if you have to 'Y' the servos together it sounds like you could benefit from a better transmitter...like a JR 8103DT. It's tough to recommend servos. Use the best ones that you can afford. I'm sure that you could get away with HS605s all the way around, but they don't center well and aren't nearly as powerful or fast as the HS5925s or S9402s even though the specs will tell you that they are. Feed the servos with 6V for extra punch.

    My fingertips are bruised...

    -Tom

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/14/2003 1:12:35 AM   
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    thanks tom good looking plane, anyway you could get a dry weight?

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/14/2003 3:09:22 AM   
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    The digital bathroom scale says 10.5 lbs, but I think that's probably only accurate to within 1/2 lb. My epoxy scale only goes up to four pounds. I'll try to get the Katana on some better scales soon.

    -Tom

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/14/2003 7:28:07 PM   
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    I use an Hitec Eclipse 7 channel computer radio. I have the abilitity to run the elevator servos on seperate channels, but the drawback is that I have to do it on a switch with a P-mix. I lost my hanger 9 Pizzaz(dual HS 85mg) because I forgot to turn this switch on and the plane would roll left when elevator was applied, once i realized my mistake it was too late.
    I desided that on the next plane I build, with dual elevator servos, I would use a miracle reversing Y to get rid of this problem. The reversing y has a pot. that you can adjust to match the center, but you loose the abilitity to match the endpoints individually. I am on a tight budget, but am willing to wait until there is enough funds to build this plane correctly. If I buy Hitec Digital servos (expensive) and a Hitec Digital servo programmer(expensive) I can reverse the servos, adjust the endpoints, and adjust the centers on a standard y. Or I could use standard HT servos on seperate channels and tie a string around my finger to reming me to check the switch, or go with the miracle Y.

    One question: Why did you use HS 5925MG on the ailerons(Digital 130 or so torque extremly fast) and use three Futuba S9402 on the evevator and rudder(not digital, slower, and less torque than the HS5925MG). Why not use HS5925 all the way around($10 more each, and the same weight with better specks).

    HS 5925MG $89
    Futuba S9402 $79
    HS81 $17
    Hitec programer $159

    Wow do the math

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/14/2003 9:45:08 PM   
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    Gonna test fly mine this weekend, my hands are shaking already.

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    GSP Katana 72"...DETAILED BUILD and 3D FLIGHT REPORT - 8/14/2003 9:46:54 PM   
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    There's alot of people cussing the Eclipse and Prism radios due to the lack of decent dual elevator functionality. The reason I suggested the 8103 is because I've used them for years and KNOW that they would provide adequate functionality for a plane like the Katana (and nearly anything else)...plus they're super easy to program...not quite as easy as the 10x but pretty easy.

    The reason I used the S9402s is because I had them sitting on the shelf. They're among the best non-digital servos I've seen. I would have used the HS5925s all the way around otherwise. Another reason is that I wanted to give the HS5925s a good test before flying another new plane I have which has (4) HS5925 and (4) HS5945...and two HS225 for throttle and choke. So far the servos seem to be solid. I reprogrammed them using a borrowed programmer so I know the firmware loads are current.

    If you could borrow a Hitec programmer you'd be set. If you can't, rather than buying the Hitec programmer, you might be better off using some of the less-expensive JR digital servos and a 'matchbox'. This would enable you to fine-tune the centers AND the endpoints. The drawback here is the added weight, complexity and expense of the matchbox.

    Where can you get the S9402 for $79 NIB?

    -Tom

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