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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 10/29/2012 12:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, did a couple of modifications to my plane:
I reinforced my LG plate which had the grain going the wrong way (horizontally across the fuse instead of vertically along the fuse given the shearing stresses the LG apply to the plate) with a second plate of 1/8" lite ply with the grain going the other way epoxied to the bottom and the blind nuts moved to it's bottom instead of the bottom of the original plate, which necessitated longer LG mounting screws).
I used gator incidence adjusters in the front instead of the fiddly aluminium plates, which necessitated removing the carbon fiber tubes used as anti rotation pins on the front of the wings to be replaced by some balsa blocks drilled out to receive the gator phenolics, those balsa blocks bridge the first two ribs of the wings the same way the carbon fiber tube did, and the blocks are epoxied in.
I use secraft wing bolts with the bolt loctited into the wing and the nut spins on quickly on the interior of the plane when I mount the wings. A little heavier, but much easier to get the wings bolted on given the constrained finger space in the fuse where the wing bolts go in.

As far as equipment goes, I am running a powersafe receiver with two 450mAh 2S lipos and HV servos all around (JR 3711 for E + A, JR 8911 for R) so no reg needed. OS 1100HV ESC and Hacker Q60 motor, APC 20.5x14 prop is the heaviest prop I use and I weighed with that prop in place. Tru-turn 3" turbo-cool spinner. I'm also using a TM1000 telemetry module just for RX and main system battery voltage. Deans connectors all around except the telemetry voltage tap which is a JST connector. I have a Sharp RC arming plug in place.

Fuse weight with RX batteries in place: 2903g
Wing weight: 401g and 420g, respectively
Wing tube: 70g
Zippy Compact 10s 5000 packs: 1116-1169g depending on the battery.
Total AUW: 4910 - 4963g

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 10/29/2012 12:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh! and I used sugru (cool rubber/plastic adhesive sold by maker faire guys and available from ProgressiveRC) to secure the LG axle into the slot on the wheel pants and a nylock nut in place to receive the m2.5 screw that holds the pant to the LG legs. I also swapped out the wheels for 2.75" aluminum wheels with better foam. That added a small amount of weight in exchange for pretty much bullet proof LG and about 1/4" additional ground clearance for my prop with some of the smoothest rolling LG I've ever seen/felt.

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 10/29/2012 6:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Peter. Seeing all of the weights gives me a much better picture of where I can attack the weight.

Fuselage w/batt - 2885g
Lt Wing - 422g
Rt Wing - 420g
Wing Tube - 74g
Total: 3801g

2x5s Gen Ace 5500mah Batt - 1510g

AUW 5311g

It appears that I am in the ball park with most of the difference being in the larger capacity batteries. I think tightening up the cabling a bit here and there and reducing the receiver battery should shave of about 100g. If I decide to venture into the Sportsman class I will upgrade to JR servos and lighten the battery weight to the minimum required to complete the sequence and that should ensure I am below 5kg. I'll read through the posts again to see where I might be able to shave a few more grams here and there.

Thanks for the feedback,

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 10/29/2012 7:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, gens ace batteries are awesome for the C rating, etc. but we don't need high C ratings, we need light weight and Gens Ace are HEAVY. The PowerUnlimited packs from F3AUnlimited and the Zippy Compact batteries are hard to beat for their light weight and 20-25C rating at a reasonable cost. Thunder power also looks great, but I hate their balance taps and huge price.

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 10/30/2012 12:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		By the way, I highly recommend getting into competition here in D7, and I suspect the same is true in all the districts, the folks who compete are just a great bunch of people (some interesting personalities for sure!), very helpful, very supportive of folks new to pattern and you'll get lots of great advice from the judges not to mention the opportunity to meet someone who could become a coach for you which can make a quantum difference in your flying.

Regardless, practicing for competition will make you a better pilot all around, no matter what you are flying!

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 10/31/2012 1:24 AM   
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Status: online 		My heaviest packs are 1200g. 1050g is a much better weight. Try 4000mah or 4500mah, and even 15C if necessary.

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/5/2012 5:44 PM   
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Just curious if anyone else has had this issue with the Vanquish. Am asking as I have just spent a couple of hours on the same issue?

I have an earlier vanquish and had no problems at all. The set screws on that (with loc tite) move easier that those in the 2 stabs I have been working on tonight.
Result is I have 1 stab with screws in that wont move any more and the other one has both sides Naged up so bad I cannot get the dammed things in. have already
sent a mail into EF and am awaiting their reply,

Simon

I also had a hard time with the stab adjusters. They are made cheaply and will strip out very easy. One of mine stripped just as it became flush with the top of the stab, I contacted extreme trying to find a suitable replacement but they wasn't much help. I ended up removing a section of the sheeting on the stab and removing the stab adjuster and locking it down at 0 degrees with a 1/4" wheel collar and the plywood wing adjuster they came with the kit. I set the stab at 0, slid the plywood adjuster over the rod, installed the wheel collar and double checked the incidence until I was happy and locked it down and CA glued the plywood. Then I replaced the sheeting and patched the ultracoat. I think the wheel collar is actually stronger than the adjuster. I haven't heard of anyone setting the stabs at anything other than 0 degrees, so locking it down shouldn't be a problem.


For those that have tight turning screws on the stab adjusters, I have one solution posted on the Gasify a Vanquish thread in the Pattern Forum.
The block is aluminum and it looks like the factory used a soldering iron in the adjustment holes, melting the plastic covering into the threaded holes. Trying to get set-screws installed without cleaning the threads first will ruin your day
There is no need to cut the balsa sheeting to access the ally block. You should be able to access it from the existing relief hole on the stab root rib. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to knock the block off and remount it.


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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/9/2012 7:39 PM   
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Fuselage w/batt - 2885g
Lt Wing - 422g
Rt Wing - 420g
Wing Tube - 74g
Total: 3801g

2x5s Gen Ace 5500mah Batt - 1510g

AUW 5311g

James


I've recarved the gear and installed pants from my mold. My RTF landing gear weighs 5 ozs, 2 1/2 ounces each side including wheels and axles.

If you can carve the carbon gear some and change the heavy pants in favor of lighter pants you should shave around 2 ozs from the plane. Or ditch the pants entirely and shave another ounce. Also change the steel axles to aluminum 8-32 bolts and shave another 1/2 ounce or so. A small box of 25 bolts will set you back around 8$ and you will have enough supply to last a few planes




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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/10/2012 5:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Peter,
Do you have a template of the main undercarriage and bolt hole configuration and ply plate. I have had some problems with the ply delaminating due to lack of glue on one side of the ply laminate of the undercarriage plate and grain problems as you mention. I am having to remove the plate by breaking it up into small pieces. Without destroying to much of the front. I have to laminate thin ply sheets to get the mount back in. OR has anyone had any experience in getting the plate back in?
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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/10/2012 11:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just made a new plate because mine split in half

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/10/2012 12:42 PM   
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Do you have a template and how did you get it in without disrupting the bulkhead formers. I can only see trying to laminate thin ply and flexing sheets into place.
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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/10/2012 1:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		PS this was my second repair 1st was due to th original plate ply not been laminated well, no glue on 1/2 that cracked, landing wasnt hard but field ground was wet. I laminated over  plate 1 st repair, lasted about 20 flights so I need to put a new plate in with ply laminets in right direction.


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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/10/2012 5:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		No just measured the old one 6 and 1/4 inches and nothed it out to fit the slots in the formers

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/10/2012 5:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi Dana - sure hope you have power by now ! ? How ya been ? busy as ever here.
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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/12/2012 8:37 AM   
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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/19/2012 3:47 AM   
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"Here are the servos I used that are Futaba. I can give you a rough idea of what would work well for JR. I would avoid Hitec servos as they are heavy and do not center as well.

Futaba
Ailerons 2XS9551
Elevators 2XS9650
Rudder S9155 or 9156 if you want more Torque

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Ailersons DS9411
Elevators DS3421
Rudder DS8411 "

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/19/2012 6:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys, I have been using the PowerEdge 5000 5S 30C's in my Vanquish with great success. We have updated the PowerEdge battery line and the 30C 5000's have been discontinued and replaced by the 45C battery line. The new 45C batteries are heavier than the 30C's and as we all know, 45C is not required or needed for pattern planes.

We have the remaining PowerEdge 5000 5S 30C batteries on sale at 50% off for the holiday season at $82.98 each.

Here are the specifications:

http://www.rcaccessory.com/poweredgelithiumbattery50005s185v30cbattery.aspx

•Charge Rate: Up to 5C
•Max Discharge: 150 Amps
•Pack Weight: 22.2 Ounces or 629.36 grams
•Wire Gauge: 10 AWG
•Pack Size: 48mm x 44mm x 150mm
•Balance Connector: JST XH - Align Style

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/19/2012 7:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		When the 30cs run out ,what battery will you be using  for your Vanquish?
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quote]ORIGINAL: RC Accessory

Hey guys, I have been using the PowerEdge 5000 5S 30C's in my Vanquish with great success. We have updated the PowerEdge battery line and the 30C 5000's have been discontinued and replaced by the 45C battery line. The new 45C batteries are heavier than the 30C's and as we all know, 45C is not required or needed for pattern planes.

We have the remaining PowerEdge 5000 5S 30C batteries on sale at 50% off for the holiday season at $82.98 each.

Here are the specifications:

http://www.rcaccessory.com/poweredgelithiumbattery50005s185v30cbattery.aspx

•Charge Rate: Up to 5C
•Max Discharge: 150 Amps
•Pack Weight: 22.2 Ounces or 629.36 grams
•Wire Gauge: 10 AWG
•Pack Size: 48mm x 44mm x 150mm
•Balance Connector: JST XH - Align Style

If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks
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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/19/2012 8:03 PM   
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Hey guys, I have been using the PowerEdge 5000 5S 30C's in my Vanquish with great success. We have updated the PowerEdge battery line and the 30C 5000's have been discontinued and replaced by the 45C battery line. The new 45C batteries are heavier than the 30C's and as we all know, 45C is not required or needed for pattern planes.

We have the remaining PowerEdge 5000 5S 30C batteries on sale at 50% off for the holiday season at $82.98 each.

Here are the specifications:

http://www.rcaccessory.com/poweredgelithiumbattery50005s185v30cbattery.aspx

•Charge Rate: Up to 5C
•Max Discharge: 150 Amps
•Pack Weight: 22.2 Ounces or 629.36 grams
•Wire Gauge: 10 AWG
•Pack Size: 48mm x 44mm x 150mm
•Balance Connector: JST XH - Align Style

If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks




I have several sets of the 5S and 5S, and several sets of a 6S and 4S. When it is time to have new batteries, I will probably use the 45C's if I make weight.

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/21/2012 8:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		MTK, Hows the 30cc gasser build going ??

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/22/2012 5:51 AM   
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MTK, Hows the 30cc gasser build going ??


It's finished and has 8 flights under its belt, some 1 1/2 hours of flying. I have some details in the thread on the subject in the pattern forum. I will not clog up this e-thread with those details

I am making the custom gear available on limited basis; drop in fit for the stock units except mine will come assembled and aligned and ready for your wheel. Accommodates up to 2 3/4" x 1" wide wheels. If you need to shed weight from the Vanquish quickly, that's one way to do it.....PM me pleeeez


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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/22/2012 2:26 PM   
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It's finished and has 8 flights under its belt, some 1 1/2 hours of flying. I have some details in the thread on the subject in the pattern forum. I will not clog up this e-thread with those details

I am making the custom gear available on limited basis; drop in fit for the stock units except mine will come assembled and aligned and ready for your wheel. Accommodates up to 2 3/4'' x 1'' wide wheels. If you need to shed weight from the Vanquish quickly, that's one way to do it.....PM me pleeeez




Whats the all up weight in pounds ???? Curious.

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/22/2012 5:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is in the other thread. 10# 5oz is what Matt reported.

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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 11/29/2012 10:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally had the maiden flight on Sunday. Very uneventful, zero trim change from my bench setup, not one click of trim change.

Setup much like many here in this thread.
HiMax 210
APC 20.5 X 14
CC HV80 ESC 30% Brake
2x5s5000mAh FlightMax 20C

2xs9650 Elevators
2xDS831 Ailerons
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RE: Extreme Flight Vanquish 2m Build Thread - 12/3/2012 12:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		A+ for effort trying to get it under 10 pounds.

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