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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 4:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice one bro, she looks the goods. After I seen ya post that HK had the red one in stock I also immediatly ordered one. Mine will be EDF, 8s set up approx 3.3 kw.

Got my first turbine waiting for me when I get home from the Sim, exciting times.

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 12:18 PM   
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Nice one bro, she looks the goods. After I seen ya post that HK had the red one in stock I also immediatly ordered one. Mine will be EDF, 8s set up approx 3.3 kw.

Got my first turbine waiting for me when I get home from the Sim, exciting times.

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It will be a squeeze getting 2 4 cell packs in her as the ducting is so big. You might be better upping the KV of the motor/Fan and going 6 cells. Wait till you get it and you will see what I mean

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 12:24 PM   
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The thrust pipe I am using is the one I got with my Habu 32 kit in the sports kit. It is just the right length. You have to fix the belmouth on however and fix on some front mounting pieces. I used offcuts from an old pipe I had. The Habu 32 sports kit comes with a rear mounting metal and outer wooden ring and screws and I used this to mount the pipe at the rear by the bulkhead next to the rear bottom Hatch.

This whole job was a bit of a pain and took me about 2.5 hours. I always hate mounting thrust pipes. It has finished up very solid though and I have managed to add very little weight.

At the top mounting you will see I have had to drill a hole in the rear of the canopy to clear the bolt head

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 12:33 PM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 12:44 PM   
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The rear bottom hatch is held in place by 4 preapplied magnets. Mine was quite a poor fit as can be seen in the pics below. All I did was push on it to splay it out and stuck it with selotape front and back. You should always have a dit of selotape on all planes I recon.................Oh and an elastic band


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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 1:04 PM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 1:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well as I have never had any instructions I am now pondering the CG. I have 2 other Mig 15's which both fly well see below. I have an Alfa and a J Perkins or OK Mig.

On the Alfa the length of the wing root is 210 mm and the CG is 123 mm from the front = a Percentage of 58 %

On the OK Mig the wing root is 225 mm and the CG is 143 mm back = a percentage of 63 % back.

If I therefore use a Percentage of say 60 % on the P20 Mig and the Wing root is 290 mm this gives me a CG of 174 mm.

To be on the safe side I think I will set it at 170 mm from the leading edge.

This has come out about 23 mm in front of the centreline of the main wheels which would seem correctish

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 1:12 PM   
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I scanned through the thread but did find if you weighed the bare kit? empty weights are always intresting


I never did weigh her but she was quite light. When I get a moment I will weigh the red one

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 1:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am quite pleased because to balance her at 170 mm from the leading edge at the root I have only got to add 65 g of lead which for a Mig 15 is quite good as they are notoriously tail heavy

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 2:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I have finished the Mig.... Here are a couple of pics of her on the floor. The all up dry weight is 2.8 KG which is 6.16 lbs. I think the P20 at 5.25 lbs of thrust should be just about right. I just hope the silver colour is ok to see.

The fuel will add about another 1.8 lbs but should not be there for landing .

Now on to my RC Paraglider

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 3:01 PM   
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See you tonight for the maiden then.

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 3:07 PM   
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See you tonight for the maiden then.

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But it is raining like mad and blowing a hoolie. I will bring it along however

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 6/22/2011 4:33 PM   
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It is sunny here now and the wind has dropped a little. Forecast is not that bad for 7 pm. At least you could start it up and drive it about a bit!

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/6/2011 5:25 AM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/6/2011 3:42 PM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/7/2011 12:02 AM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/13/2011 4:58 PM   
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I received a copy of the instructions from KMP. They list the CG as 5.75in back from the leading edge of the wing where it mates to the fuse. I think I attached the pic.



The Mig I have built is not the KMP one however it is Pro EDF.............. I am not sure that these are the same planes

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/14/2011 12:38 AM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/17/2011 9:20 PM   
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It is the same plane made by Pro EDF and it was distributed by KMP.


Many thanks

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/21/2011 8:07 PM   
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Well today I thought I would start the engine and give the Mig a Taxi test. Well she ended up being flown and I was very pleased indeed. My trusty test pilot 3dFlip did the honors.

The takeoff run was quite long and we used half flap and the P20 had plenty of power to lift her off. The plane flew a dream and needed next to no trim. The CG was perhaps a little nose heavy but if it is pushed further back I think it would give a few issues on the ground. The landing was good also with a very small bounce and she also landed quite slowely. The pilot reported that the flaps caused next to no trim change and we managed to fly fo 4.25 minutes and only used one of the 2 tanks. So an 8 minute flight is easily acheivable.

All in all I was very pleased indeed. For those interested in this model I would say to get the red one as she was a little difficult to see against a grey sky.

The thing that most impressed me was how quiet the P20 was and also how easy it was to start...... This is a lovely little engine

The power in the climb was excellent and vertical was no problem at all. In my view now that she has flown I would say that this airframe is a perfect partner for the P20...

I feel like I need another P20

Thanks to 3DFlip for another excellent test flight.

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/21/2011 8:18 PM   
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It would be nice to see it fly next time you plan to go, as I am always interested in airframes of this size.

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/21/2011 8:29 PM   
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I feel like I need another P20


This little engine is so addictive that I've just sold one of my bigger turbines to buy another one. I'm so pleased with the ease of use of the little Jetcat that the bigger turbine will eventually be replaced with a P100 when they become available.

Good to see you have success with the Mig. Now we need video

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/21/2011 8:36 PM   
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I don't think I have ever seen Dennis look so nerves. The Mig Flew very well, I am looking forward to seeing Dennis fly it.

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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/22/2011 8:30 AM   
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RE: Mig 15 With Jetcat P20 Build Thread - 7/22/2011 8:46 AM   
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