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FMA flight systems - 8/16/2003 3:35:39 PM   
Stormovic


 

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Status: offline 		Hey bud . Whats flying your cyclic controls? Not your brain for sure . Keep your damn trap shut.

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FMA flight systems - 8/16/2003 4:06:16 PM   
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I guess non of us are flying our helis !

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FMA flight systems - 8/16/2003 4:41:54 PM   
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FMA flight systems - 8/16/2003 4:52:46 PM   
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FMA flight systems - 8/16/2003 5:05:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back to Randy's comments...

I learnt to fly my Raptor 30 V2 without FMA, (with set up help from an experienced model Heli pilot) but from what I have read it seems that it helps a few people out. As individuals we are not to judge what is ultimately right for everyone who takes part in this hobby. I notice from your posting you have a governor. Some may see that as a great thing or not for your learning process. I have a PPL Helicopter licence and was trained on a Robinson R22 before governers were mandatory. Since then I became uncurrent in Helis and carried out a BFR in the R22 again, this time with a governor. It was a new thing to learn for good reason and doesn't make it right or wrong.

Just my thoughts
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FMA flight systems - 8/16/2003 10:35:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think as long as your having fun, and hopefully not learning too many bad habits- if any- with electronic assistance, who cares? Just because its easier doesn't mean that any less fun can be had-maybe MORE, considering that successful flights are probably ALOT more exciting to someone whos never done any flying previously!

I think what ImacKiwi said about the governor is exactly why people who learned to fly helicopters the "hard" way, might dislike the FMA products......It gives them a sence that new-bees are now learning to fly helicopters, and its is too easy with the CP....they arent learning anything in their mind....

I also think ALOT of people came to this end of the hobby (helis), either because they needed a challenge, or wanted to do what not alot of other people even CAN do.......fly a r/c heli. perhaps it brings people with skill level which in THEIR opinion (very low) shouldn't be flying a helicopter if it wasn't for the CP......I say let the beginners have their moment in the sunlight, at the end of the day when everyone is looking to see whos doing what, and why, PILOT wise, it will be easy to separate the "real pilots". I wouldn't let the CP infringe on the egos of competent pilots.....After all, the CP isn't for EXPERIENCED PILOTS......its for GREEN HORNS! Like me!

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FMA flight systems - 8/26/2003 9:57:34 PM   
MustangFan



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Status: offline 		Why do we fight on these issues.

Be civil here!

If you don't like flying with a co-pilot thats a choice.

If you want to try it, thats another choice.

The question to answer is, does it work as advertised.
If that is a yes, then the person has the information he needs to make his choice.

If it's too expensive in your opinion, then the choice is obvious.
If the price of a digital servo is within reason, then the choice is again obvious.

No one in this free country must do exactly like another (yet).
State opinions / reasons (nicely .... you have to talk nicely).

But just who is to say if a "pilot" will not be able to wean himself from it. What if he doesn't, but still enjoys flying and continues to use it ....... thats his choice. I am a warbird fan, some are pattern fans, some are ...... can I tell someone what they should be. Should all of us be lawyers ( oh forbid ) .

As Jack Nickleson said in "A Few Good Men" .... "you have to ask me nicely".

I'm going to try one on a helicopter, I'm a gadget freak anyway. I figure all of us are some sort of freak, might as well be a gadget freak. My neighbor calls me Mr. Gadget. Lets hear it !

soapbox over

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FMA flight systems - 8/27/2003 12:25:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		im also a gadjet kinda guy guy,i have one and its saved me from at least one maybe two crash's i might have been able to recover from one but i flipped the switch,does it make the heli fly different yes,will you want to take it off? yes,if for no other reason than your tired of it being on there and when you do recover from something nasty you will want credit for it not the stupid co-pilot! its a good learning tool should be in the same catagory as the training gear though,i dont understand why theres not more of them for sale in the used stuff,the biggest problem with it is understanding how/why/when to set the thing up warlock has done a terrific job of helping folks out on this,it wont save you from all crash's just some but it does give some extra confidence!

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FMA flight systems - 8/27/2003 3:34:26 AM   
sharam



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Status: offline 		I installed it on my heli to help me learn forward flight. Flew wiith it for two months and gradually reduced the gain. Took it off after the two months and have not looked back since. I am now an intermediate flier that can do flips and rolls and nose-in and funnels and various other tricks.

For me it was an excellent learning tool. Sold mine to a friend who went through exactly the same process I did. Subsequently he sold it to another friend.

Worked for me!

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FMA flight systems - 8/27/2003 11:10:02 PM   
MustangFan



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Status: offline 		Looks like its working as advertized. And some are using it as intended. Great !
I must get one for my heli ... sounds like a neat gadget!

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FMA flight systems - 8/28/2003 4:08:48 AM   
DSA.308



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Status: offline 		I already learned to fly my helicopter without one of these Co-Pilots. Too bad for FMA Flight Systems, they wont be getting my money.

Also it just goes to show if your willing to spend a little more time on the G2 simulator, then the co-pilot isn't necessary AT ALL! I recommend buying the simulator rather than a co-pilot, because if you have any skills at all, the C.P. is a waste of time and money, but thats just my opinion. Maybe I'm just a natural born helicopter pilot, because I have a friend in Hawaii whose been playing with a electric heli for almost a year and is barely hovering STILL! I bought a 46VR Kyosho with a OS50SX and about $700.00 worth of carbon fiber upgrades, spent 30 hours on the simulator, and did a solo flight on my helicopter all within about a week and a half. NO LIE.

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FMA flight systems - 8/28/2003 4:55:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		first the electrics are alot harder to fly than the the 30 size and up ones,as for the sim most definitelly agree with you there but gotta take issue with the waste of time and money,you did say thats your opin and it is,so you probabbly are a "natural" there was a thread not that long ago about someone who said they where up an doing 3d in something like 3-4 tanks and the guy sounded like he was telling the truth,so i beleive some folks are naturals but some of us arent and the co-pilot while not a required peice of equipment is a valueable one,its taken me six months to get into forward flight so you can call me slow or harded whatever im learning at my own speed flying by myself alot,so the curves slower and the other guy i fly with,while new,helps speed the curve up some,in my opin if your a gadjet guy or you think ya need one try it,this is my opin just my very humble opin

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FMA flight systems - 8/28/2003 5:51:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great job TODD MARSH.

All i got to say about the co-pilot is i don't need any more head aches than what i all ready got.

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FMA flight systems - 8/28/2003 6:56:04 AM   
DSA.308



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Status: offline 		I am not being a arrogant fool thinking if it takes you longer than a week and a half your "slow" by any stretch. I'll be the first to say not everyone has 30 hours to dedicate to the simulator the first week they own it, or even if they have the time for 30 hours on the sim, they will be ready to solo their heli either. Certainly everyones learning curve will be different, based on their natural abilities, the amount of time they can dedicate to learning in the beginning, and also their eagerness to be flying solo in the shortest time possible too, theres just way too many variables to consider.

I owe 100% of my success to finding a awesome group of guys out at Chatfield reservoir R/C airport, who were not only willing to take 4 hours out of their Saturday flying time to completely set up my helicopter AND radio, but also give me the confidence and support to make my first solo flight. Maybe its just timing, but I haven't found a friendlier group of guys doing anything in R/C that were as capable or as knowledgeable as this group of guys. I HIGHLY recommend if your in the Colorado area, and want to meet a great group of R/C helicopter guys who are nothing but helpful and friendly, you make your way out to Chatfield reservoir. Not to mention they wouldnt accept payment in cash.....I finally talked them into letting me paint a canopy/body for them as payment which I think is more than fair. Of course I will be using one of best paint systems available...SIKKENS! Base coat clear coat baby, I wouldn't dream of doing a crappy rattle can job after the help these guys gave me! Only the BEST for those guys, they deserve to get the best after the help they gave me.

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FMA flight systems - 8/28/2003 7:20:56 AM   
trey3670



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Status: offline 		sorry if i made ya think i was accusseing ya of being arrogant,i wasnt just takeing issue,cant make charachter judgements here,so i responded with my view,so far everything iv seen you post todd has been very good even if i dont agree with it,as for the chatfeild guys iv heard good things about them from alot of folks and waas intending on trying to make it down there this summer but it is a coupla hrs drive for me so we will see

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