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DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/30/2011 9:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, My Panther G and KV-1 have their DBU/DBC settings for nine hits for a kill as they are considered heavy tanks.When I ordered the DBC from Phil for the Stug III he had asked me what tank was it for, and it is set for Five hits for a kill.Is that the proper setting,or are three hits only
required for a kill on the Stug ?  I`d like to know because of the upcoming NEAD battleday at Sherry field here in NJ on June 5th. Thanx for any advice on this matter.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/30/2011 9:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		5 i s the proper setting for a stug III as it's a medium tank

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/30/2011 10:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mike, thanks for answering,very much appreciated.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 12:14 AM   
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I guess you will have a new tank to battle with at the NEAD battleday this Sunday in Bergen County? I look forward to seeing it. We had a few Sutg with the HL IR for some demo games at the last IPMS event in Wayne.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 5:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Bob, I plan on being there this Sunday,the 5th.Have to try and get my muzzle flash working  again on the Stug. It has worked  up until the time I installed the dbc/dbu.Maybe I removed one wire too many from the original HL set-up,LOL.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 5:30 AM   
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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 5:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Joe, coming from a pro like you is an honor.What I mean is when you get a tank kit,it`s only a box of tank parts,but when YOU finish the kit you have a
highly detailed working TANK REPLICA .I have been follwing your amazing KingTiger build and you have certainly mastered the art of this hobby.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 5:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Charlie,

I'm glad to speak with you here. You have been way to quiet. I've seen you lurking about but not positng any comments or such. It is great to hear from you. The Stug looks good. It should blend in well on the battlefield. Are you using a LED flash or HL Strobe? Can you bring you bridge and/or any buildings?

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 10:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the Stug is based on the PzIII chassis so technically it is a Light tank. Considering the Germans considered the Panther a medium tank for the time.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 5/31/2011 4:01 PM   
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Actually the Stug is based on the PzIII chassis so technically it is a Light tank. Considering the Germans considered the Panther a medium tank for the time.



OK let me clarify my earlier post,

If one was to go by RCAN rule and classifications (which most clubs use)  all variants of the Stug are medium class during WWII and classed as light after the war. Sailor 204 is using the 75 mm main gun and the bolt on armor on the front of the hull which further solidifies the medium class. Panzer III's up too the J model were light and later models L,M,and N were mediums. Since most of us are using WWII armor that's where the answer came from. At Danville last month their was 1 T-55 and 1 Leo unless I missed someone elses newer tank. Therefore I assumed the use of war time classes.  
And yes Panther G the Germans did class the Panther as a medium during the war but the RCAN rules have it as a heavy due to the prototypes armor thickness and 75 mm main gun.  I ran into this same discepancy when I first started using my Panther and have since programmed it into a heavy tank . The members of the Detroit club take a dim view of fudging on the rules by the battle director

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/1/2011 1:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep you are correct. I just wanted to stir the pot a little. As far as our purposes go the Stug Is classified as a medium. 

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/1/2011 1:43 AM   
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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 12:24 AM   
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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 4:27 AM   
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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 1:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some clubs do this for invaluable front armor on turret less tanks to give them a fighting chance against their turreted cousins and to save wear & tear on their gear boxes. During battle, experienced tankers drive with their turret turned at a 45° from the front and only need to turn the turret or tank to fire. The sensors are designed so that hits on the sensor will record a hit from and direction at only close range, at longer range, only hits straight on from the front, rear and sides record a hit. The idea being that hits off of an angle are glancing blows and bounces off the armor. With the sensor sitting on top of the turret, turning the turret 45° simulates these glancing blows from head on attacks, kind of a cheat if you will. So to give assault tanks without turrets a fighting chance, they mask off the front sensor so long distant frontal shots don't record a hit.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 1:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Electric tape accross the front fins works just as well and isn't permanent for use at clubs that don't alow IFA
Even better use black tape and let the opposition blast away  and wonder why no hits are being scored


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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 4:54 PM   
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Status: online 		I understand the 45 degree defense, what I was saying is it's a Stug, not a JT.
I use a JP by choice, don't expect handicap adjustment for it.
We (NEAD) have IFA for the JT due to the massive frontal armor, not lack of a turret.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 6:20 PM   
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Some of the clubs have adapted IFA for non turretted tank destroyers too even it out with turreted tanks. Some think it evens things out, some think it's an advantage. It all depends on perspective

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 6:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Flyn Chris

Some clubs do this for invaluable front armor on turret less tanks to give them a fighting chance against their turreted cousins and to save wear & tear on their gear boxes. During battle, experienced tankers drive with their turret turned at a 45° from the front and only need to turn the turret or tank to fire. The sensors are designed so that hits on the sensor will record a hit from and direction at only close range, at longer range, only hits straight on from the front, rear and sides record a hit. The idea being that hits off of an angle are glancing blows and bounces off the armor. With the sensor sitting on top of the turret, turning the turret 45° simulates these glancing blows from head on attacks, kind of a cheat if you will. So to give assault tanks without turrets a fighting chance, they mask off the front sensor so long distant frontal shots don't record a hit.



I know you meant invulnerable, but invaluable kinda works, lol

We in Kelly's Heroes use it and it seems to work ok. No big issues. Works best up close and personal but has limited protection effect from shots much over 15 feet. Since i use a lot of SP type equipment i am partial to it. We could use the 45deg remounting of the TBU but we have all kinds of battle units in the club (El-Mod, Dave's, Tamiya. and perhaps others. We are interested in getting as many tanks on the field as possible. The 45deg defense, to my knowledge, does not work with anything except Tamiya or Impact.

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RE: DBC/DBU setting for Stug III - 6/2/2011 7:15 PM   
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I know you meant invulnerable, but invaluable kinda works, lol

Thanks Ken, that's what I get for posting before having my coffee LOL


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