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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 8:35:06 AM   
Rodrigo C


 

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Status: offline 		Thunder, I never meant to insult the guy's idea to market his design, I wish him the best luck. I made a joke about the "secrecy" and "innovation" of the design.

IMHO he could have just asked about the directions on how to market "a" design without mentioning "my ubber secret design" and would have gotten the information regardless without causing this.

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 8:35:16 AM   
William Robison



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Patents still require a grant from the patent office of EACH COUNTRY where your product is marketed. The U. S. patent is good for 17 years, and is not renewable - all protection ceases at the end of the patent.

Unless you are a drug company and have the money/lawyers/political clout to get it extended indefinitely, with the obvious intent of continuing to gouge everybody using your medicine. Whether or not the medicine does any good.

While you are in the process of search, filing, and going through the patent hearing you have no patent protection. If the patent is approved, and most are not, you can then sue anyone using your process as being in infringement of your patent. But that means more money for the litigation, and eventually a settlement. You might get back 20-30% of what you spent.

But on the other hand, you might sail right through the patent process, not spend more than $4000-$5000, and find there is absolutely no market for your idea.

My point? If you expect to make any money with patents or copyrights, your name had best be Tom Clancy, W.E.B.Griffin, John leCarre, William Butterworth, or something along those lines.

Bill.

PS: Who's William Elwood Butterworth? That's W.E.B.Griffin's real name. Haw. wr.

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 8:39:45 AM   
viperred



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Status: offline 		I can't really think of a better way to waste money then patent something in the R/C Field.. ESPECIALLY AN AIRCRAFT DESIGN!! LOL!! Perhaps I could see a revolutionary design in electronics or pnuematic/hydraulic unit, but not any structure or build of a r/c plane. Gosh a patent and $3,000 later and you'll have something that probably no one will buy.. whoo hoo.. heheh..

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 8:49:52 AM   
ThunderAI-RCU



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rodrigo C
Thunder, I never meant to insult the guy's idea to market his design, I wish him the best luck. I made a joke about the "secrecy" and "innovation" of the design.

IMHO he could have just asked about the directions on how to market "a" design without mentioning "my ubber secret design" and would have gotten the information regardless without causing this. [/QUOTE]

I'm no moderator, and I have no enforcement power,and to be honest the post was funny, but like I said probably not very well placed in a thread that should be more serious then it is.

I do agree that a copyright in the RC field unless it is hardwere is unless and pointless.

Too bad he abandoned the thread, and the guty who "had seen" the prints. I am curious what the design looks like though.

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patent - 9/3/2003 8:50:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		patent and 3000 later you will have someone build it and pull a fiberglass fuse from it and sell the fuses. it happens every day. I seen guys buy jet kits or glass fuses and use them as plugs to make their own molds and sell them under the table it always happens thats why i said justr sell plans for a built u[p plane and get the money while ya can

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 9:00:55 AM   
William Robison



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Status: offline 		ThunderAI:

I'm sure aeroanalysis is still watching, he's the fellow who has the design. And I'm the one he sent the picture to.

So while I am still here live, Daniel has gotten the information he wanted and is probably just checking in now and then.

But how about it, Dan? What's the status? Said you were talking to a manufacturer, how's it going?

Bill.

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 9:05:58 AM   
viperred



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Status: offline 		Well if he doesn't respond, soon then someone seriously needs to take this thread back behind the barn and shoot it lol.. like ole yeller.. cause it sure ain't living much anymore lol... Bill come on just go ahead and post the design up here.. stop making us sit on our hands lol...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by William Robison
ThunderAI:

I'm sure aeroanalysis is still watching, he's the fellow who has the design. And I'm the one he sent the picture to.

So while I am still here live, Daniel has gotten the information he wanted and is probably just checking in now and then.

But how about it, Dan? What's the status? Said you were talking to a manufacturer, how's it going?

Bill. [/QUOTE]

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 9:23:59 AM   
William Robison



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Status: offline 		Paul:

I did keep one copy, but until Dan says it's OK to publish it the picture wont leave here.

An earlier post speculated on the Pond Racer. The similarities are twin engines in streamlined nacelles and the pilot sitting behind the wing. Otherwise it's no more similar than almost any other airplane.

Bill.

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 11:53:21 AM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		hehe, hes been watching the Pod racing from Star Wars too much then

for doubters of getting a kit to sell... take a look the the Capiche 50 website [url]www.flycapiche.co.uk[/url]
came from pen, to cad to test model ( a whole lot of testing by the UK's best ) and exploded onto the UK market. now its pretty much a household name, all within a year. but.. it had the biggest names in the UK behind it. and the best bit is no big manufacture has nicked it and screwed the design, its done as the designer intended by a hobby shop thats almost started from nothing just to do this.

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Maybe? - 9/3/2003 12:03:49 PM   
Mike James



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Status: offline 		I have one that will fit in perfectly in the Air Force's inventory.

What do you think?

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 12:08:58 PM   
viperred



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Status: offline 		Your forgetting one thing though... That Capiche is a very conventional and "seen before" style of aircraft.. looks just like the CAP series.. now try to make money with something no one's ever seen before.. like a flying doughnut, or flying sphere.. now try to market something like that.. or heck even something that is just slighty out of mainstream like this twin this guy is building.. chances of sucess unfortunately are remote. If you look at my previous posts.. you'll see that capiche falls into the category #2 aircraft that have been flown/or are flying and are second popular to warbirds. This is still much easier then the #3 category of concept aircraft, prototype, something innovative, odd, or falls into an "other" category.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by phillybaby
hehe, hes been watching the Pod racing from Star Wars too much then

for doubters of getting a kit to sell... take a look the the Capiche 50 website [url]www.flycapiche.co.uk[/url]
came from pen, to cad to test model ( a whole lot of testing by the UK's best ) and exploded onto the UK market. now its pretty much a household name, all within a year. but.. it had the biggest names in the UK behind it. and the best bit is no big manufacture has nicked it and screwed the design, its done as the designer intended by a hobby shop thats almost started from nothing just to do this. [/QUOTE]

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 12:16:38 PM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		i looked at it from the other view, the Capiche has competition and isn't diffrent looks wise so dosn't have that X factor. however, having big names wow over it makes joe normal want one.
think demand took them by surprise tho.

personaly i like weird designs, theres a whole section on my website for them. maybe this one will make it, maybe not...

how well is the GeoBat selling? gets alot of coverage.

ok, we all have ideas, i vote it looks like this, add a rudder to the back of the pod.... main gear in the nacells, tail wheel on the pod.

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want unusual - 9/3/2003 12:32:09 PM   
ProfLooney



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Status: offline 		If ya want unusual goto this site http://www.luft46.com/ tons of prototypes and secret projects etc of the luftwaffe some really weird stuff there

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marketing my design - 9/3/2003 12:40:49 PM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		it's a good site, i've flicked through it before. a friend has a book covering most of the same planes.
for my site it has to be a RC plane that would make the same friend have a fit of horror that someone would build it

you know, i'm rather taken by my little sketch now... all it is, is swept forward wing with engines at the tips, easier to make as a more delta shape, and the engines can be closer together to help with the cut problem... think the thiner wing looks better tho.
mmm i must be close to aeros idea, why else would you want the reliability of electric.

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Re: want unusual - 9/3/2003 12:55:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		God when you look at everything on that site you realize.. yes it's almost all been done before .. at least in one way or another.. nothing is really new just reinventions and modifications of things done already. Check out these aircraft from cirmson skies.. they are pretty kewl

http://crimsonskies-universe.com