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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/2/2012 9:50 PM   
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Jake, on the website, no matter which file you click on it goes to the first zipfile. You can't download the new spreadsheet you posted. Frustration has got to me again. I hate computers!!!!!



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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/3/2012 3:11 PM   
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Can somebody shut the door please......postings leave the forum.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/3/2012 5:32 PM   
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This link should take you to all the images in this thread?

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/gallery_thread.asp?threadID=10662258

If you tell me which post it was supposed to be in, I can look at what you actually posted in the editor to see if anything is there?


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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/3/2012 6:08 PM   
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NOP, pictures are gone.

John, back online ?

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/3/2012 6:32 PM   
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I'm trying but it still takes over 15 minutes for the post to be sent. I get a "waiting on host server" message.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/3/2012 7:26 PM   
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Not having any trouble here. Everything is normal


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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/3/2012 8:46 PM   
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Things are working for now I believe. Problem could have been at my end since I use my IPhone to access the forum. Tried a few things here and it seems to work. Maybe I can post a picture tonight. We'll see how that goes.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/4/2012 7:06 PM   
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Ok no one is allowed to post links to the new thread on the other website forum.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/7/2012 4:18 PM   
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To switch the timing or use in-flight 'Kill' I'm going to use a R/C Switch. There are lots of different designs that you can make or buy. This one from Pololu is small and cheap. www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1210
Here is a good one if you want to make your own. www.rc-cam.com/bitsw.htm

You can use one of the circuits shown at www.rc-cam.com/bitsw.htm to ground out the Hall signal or to apply a low or high to any pin. In both cases above you just need 1 open Rx channel for each r/c-switch you want to use.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/7/2012 5:29 PM   
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Thanks Ray !!
This is just what I was looking for. I believe the option to build your own will be more satisfying to the "builders" on this forum. I myself will probably go this route too since it has many other uses.

The problems with the newest B board I just tested are resistor related. Just changed a few values and it runs my engine with my original ignition board. Probably post the whole thing shortly so builders can get started on it. There were capacitor as well as resistor changes made to the first working B board for the newest B board. There are some very closely spaced holes on the board and you must make your parts choices carefully. Size does matter in this case. Usually I have no problems soldering small components, but this board being small presents some challenges, not impossible, just challenging!

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/7/2012 5:52 PM   
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Cool

I know what you mean about soldering small components and my bi-focals don't help. I do have a magnifing hood/goggles that I use, some of the parts I solder are SMDs and only 2mm x 3mm. My wife even threw some of my parts out because she thought they were dust. LOL

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 1:38 PM   
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Have we decided on a HV board yet?  I kwnow what gr8flyer55 (John) is usiing but, what about everbody else?

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 4:22 PM   
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Jep, I'm waiting.....I'm only the board designer.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 5:16 PM   
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I thought we were using my original CDI board. The only thing I can see a problem with is the transformer I use, being a toroid, it is difficult for most people to wind. If we can find an off the shelf transformer that works with little or no modification, we have a circuit that already works. I've been using it for all but 30 years in all my planes.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 5:34 PM  1 votes
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Untill ~8,000 rpm your board (I don't know if Adrian is thinking the same) will work.
Above ~8,000 rpm the board have not enough energie (mJ) to spark.
For jigsaw and weedeaters the board is OK, but not for high speed >10,000 rpm engines.
Thats why there must be a board who can handle also the real model engines.

A board like this for example, but I'm only the board designer.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 5:47 PM  1 votes
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Gompy that board looks like it should work real nice. Is that the one you have built and have been using?

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 6:09 PM  1 votes
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No, I am waiting for the hardware designer.
I am the board designer.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 6:47 PM  1 votes
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I've come to the conclusion that nobody is building any of the presently available designs but me.
I have used my design board on model engines that rev past 12,000 rpm for years. Now it's no good?
Fine. Try another one. Nobody is limited to just one design board. I've tested many here and all work for me. Can't someone just pick one and build it? It's not rocket science.
It's an open source design. I've built most of Rob's designs. I have at least 50 built ignition boards laying in a box that all work. I can take any one of the designs, hook it up in my plane and go fly it. Don't see anything wrong with any of the designs really, they all work.
Just ask Bluejets (Jeff) from Australia, he's built and tested mine and his works.
I can re-post my original design but nobody seems to want that one. So here's everyone's chance to participate. I like Rob's latest one, looks good.


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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 7:02 PM  1 votes
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Thats why I quit, they wait untill your have the ideal designe and be broke.
From now on I desinge and build my boards only for personal use.
If I don't need it I don't designe or build it (anymore).
I don't need a other HV-board I allready have, done !

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 7:34 PM  1 votes
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Same here Rob!!
I am very happy and content with everything I built. By the way, built 3 of the "B" boards now and all work perfect! Thank you for taking your time and giving all of us a truely great design. I have just installed one in my plane, ready for test flight. Engine runs perfect, switches all working (manually for right now) and I couldn't be happier!! :-)

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 7:47 PM   
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I am so pissed off with this session time out ....after I took the time to write and get on some details.
I will try again hope today.

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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 9:30 PM  1 votes
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Well here we go again.
I will try to get back to what I was trying to say previously .
Rob, I cannot say too much about John design, I had one but I never try it in real world application.
If I remember right John had the toroid and 4 diodes . That design will work and is all in how you tune it.
Have to get the right ratio in between the primary, secondary and fly back."
On the secondary you want to produce as much voltage possible to be able to charge the capacitor at 10-12...etc K RPM's . The Fly back needs to get 1/2 voltage from the data sheet of the transistor you are using on the base of the transistor if you are at ...6v system. On the capacitor on "idle" no trigger signal you want to tune the system from bias resistor to stay 20% below the voltage rating...  This will prevent the overcharging, internal discharge to ground and possible failure of the capacitor.when U first turn on and the engine is not running. I look on better choices for capacitors and they are several out there starting from  $8 up to $32 that are at 500,600V but then you have to replace SCR's etc. ... you have to pick a voltage I will suggest use 6v as base and get the best performance then you can go fairly easy down to 4.8 or up to 6.6v without too many changes.
John's design will be capable to deliver the 10-12k RPM's ...but keep in mind that most airplanes engines
are in 8500-9500RPM range and to have that engine to scream at 10k with a smaller prop  just to spin the prop 10k...my personal opinion is not quite beneficial. Go for the most tork , load the engine with a bigger prop/pitch combination to give you the best static trust . This way you prevent  the wear and tear on the engine and get better fuel economy.
You want to hold the capacitor charged at a constant voltage at the target RPM. Run the system for at list 5 min and see what it does, does voltage drop, increase...Increase will be most wanted that way you will know that the capacitor is getting charged at target RPM and is room for more if you go Pass that as log that the charge voltage is enough to deliver enough energy(Rob's mJ) . Go ant try it on the best engine you have and better to be on a factory airplane engine, not a chainsaw ,weedy...etc. An engine with High compression to make sure you have enough "Rob" to overcome the compression and produce enough to ignite the cylinder. If at top RPM you do not get any sputter,cough...LOL, then u good. If you do...you in trouble....LOL...But go ahead and put a fresh plug and start again if that is still present then go ahead and bump the voltage bit more u and feel your transistor. If it gets hot...then may have to add   a radiator or different transistor. The MJE521 is labeled NRD on mouser so someday will be discontinued. So try to find a better choice , Hint ...TO220, use it the way it is or cut the tab off and then send them back at mouser or digikey for a partial return....LOL.
Rob design I think could work better due to the oscillating design and then again...more components so
I see a constant battle on what design to use.
Build one each, get a one of the heli engines or a RC car, boat  do a conversion to CDI and It will  let you know what will work or not and then stick with that.
Try to keep it simple as possible , less components...the better. More sophisticated ....more chances for failure and remember the size. We are space and weight limited. I get numerous questions why cannot be smaller....why it has to be the same for size as a 30-100cc when the engine is smaller. Why a 14CC engine cannot use a smaller CDI....and why it has to be the same as a 50cc. Go figure that and try to explain to someone that  asks you that question ...why....I hope no one will ask me here that...GRRRRRRRRR....LOL. But in case someone is curious why... well the amount of energy necessary to ignite the fuel is the same on a small engine or big engine/compression. In order to produce that energy (mJ) that Rob talked about you will need the same components. Why cannot be a chip that will do that?
Yes they are some and I look in to that ...but the voltage that we use is not going to be enough to produce the energy we need. The dedicated ignition IC they also cannot be used in our case...so we use what we use and try to be as efficient as possible to make from nothing something that will get your engine running reliable on the air.
After several hundred units that I solder and play with I got to original Bill Carpenter words. People wants to fly to be recreational not to stay at the field or home programming the unit with this and that curve. 95% of the people they just want to flip the prop and go in the air.  Couple years back I was discussing all those options from the current soft with MSD, Kill SW and couple others functions but all those will add to space, weight and $. When today you go on hobbyking and buy a blue unit with few bucks....how are going to compete with that ...and then again when that goes out you do not have with whom to talk with so you buy again and then u get to the price where u can talk with someone and help you out one way or another.
But ....final words....get something , test it for a season on several types of engines, users and then u will find it is a POC  or not (Proof Of Concept) like a good friend of mine like to use. If you test it in your back yard only....my not know and since is your design may not be that exigent with it.
 
Thanks and sorry for boring you out.
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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 9:31 PM   
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Adrian,

Copy your work before you try to send it. Then, if the session has timed out, you can past it in a new reply and send again.


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Yup, You are right, I knew better but I got on writing and I fargot about time...Now I did it in word and pasted.
I know is out of this forum ...but what saito engines you have? you can email or PM me
Thanks Dad...
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RE: CDI gr8flyer55 - 12/8/2012 10:01 PM  1 votes
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All I will say about my board here will sum it up in one sentence.

I have been flying with it in a plane with a Clarence Lee built K&B .61 engine that turns in excess of 14,000 rpms without any misfire, NGK ME8 1/4-32 plug, 20 to 1 gas oil mix, Perry carb, for over 15 years and I couldn't be happier.

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