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Arrogance at your field? - 8/20/2003 7:35:00 PM   
Pjtg0707


 

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From: abcde,
Status: offline 		Safety issues aside, most bullies on the playgrounds are cowards.

Whenever I go to a new public field with problem people, I'd make a point to project the ' I will stop at nothing to get you' attitude to these people, and they will simply back down. You have to out-bully a bully and sink you teeth into them from time to time.

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maybe - 8/20/2003 8:08:16 PM   
Low Wing



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Status: offline 		Maybe we are running this thread into overtime, But' I think it is a great subject...Yes' there have been time's when some new guy has complained to me about somebody not being real nice/short with them...I would always say just give them some time and sure enough they would be hanging...

Hey guy's lets be honest here...There are some freaks that show up at our fields...There are also new people who never seem to get the basic's down...These old grumpy guy's have seen their share of them...I guess I'm making things work where I'm at because it's the only real field worth a crapp in my area...

Can anyone out here admit that new guy's tend to be in a big hurry and that they are not always open for help...New guy's bring a little arrogance with them to the field as well...

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Same - 8/20/2003 8:15:42 PM   
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I hear what you are saying. We have one of those guys at our
field. We all just chose to start ignoring him and he moved to
another field. Unfortunately he is back now, so I assume he
did the same thing with them.

My suggestion.... Ignore the nuisance. They will get the point, and then some.

Good luck with the flying.


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Arrogance at your field? - 8/21/2003 1:27:51 AM   
JohnW



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Status: offline 		Lowwing - "Can anyone out here admit that new guy's tend to be in a big hurry and that they are not always open for help...New guy's bring a little arrogance with them to the field as well..."

In my round about way that was sort of what I was getting at with my posts that most probably thought were arrogant on my part. The tone of most of the examples here is "How dare some long time member tell me (a novice) that I did something wrong." That is indeed arrogance, but on the part of the novice pilot. I don't think you'll get too many to admit to that since the believe their unsafe flying should not be scolded and they don't require help, that is until they crash and then it is "Why didn't you help me?"

I don't care what aspect of life you examine, you will always find someone you don't get along with... just deal with it. I know pilots that refuse to fly if "John Doe" is at the field because they can't stand him... how stupid. Same goes for those that prefer to fly alone because they can't stand belonging to a club, maybe the problem is with THEM not the club.

Ya know, there is a old "arrogant" type at our filed. At first, he annoyed me with his comments, but once I got to know him I realized he was really quite interesting. Yes, he is opinionated, loud, and sometimes harsh, but he is very funny and had tons of neat aviation stories as he was a pilot for most his life. He is quite ill now and only makes it to the field about once a month. Many who refused to discover who he really is will probably dance on his grave, I'll miss him.

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Arrogance at your field? - 8/21/2003 1:38:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by MonkeyBoy
I don't care what aspect of life you examine, you will always find someone you don't get along with... just deal with it.[/QUOTE] No tolerance for abuse...They WILL get the finger.

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At the Field - 8/21/2003 8:04:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is this more of ignorance than arrogance of the attitude of club members?


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Re: maybe - 8/21/2003 5:27:05 PM   
Goinstraightup



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Low Wing
Can anyone out here admit that new guy's tend to be in a big hurry and that they are not always open for help...New guy's bring a little arrogance with them to the field as well... [/QUOTE]

That reminds me of something that happened at our field:

I'll never forget the first day out in the '96 flying season. I had a student with me and the trainer. When we got to the field, there were 2 cars parked on the opposite end of where we normally fly. Several quite rough looking guys were working on a .20 size plane. I rolled down the window and asked what channel they were on and if they needed any help. The one guy looked over to the other guy and said, "I told you he would ask what channel we were on". After looking for a minute, they told me their channel and in a very snotty way said that they didn't want any help. So I went with the student over to the normal flying area and instructed for a good while. It was kind of cold out yet, but we must have flew for a good 45 min to an hour. All the while this is going on the crew on the other side of the field is still working on their plane. We pack up and once again pass them on our way out. Trying once again to be nice, I roll down the window and ask if they need help. The guy was real mean and said, "I told you before I didn't need any help". We rolled off. In the end it was their loss. They're the ones that never got to fly. It's too bad. I tried to help.

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Re: Re: maybe - 8/21/2003 6:28:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goinstraightup
That reminds me of something that happened at our field:

--snipped----

We pack up and once again pass them on our way out. Trying once again to be nice, I roll down the window and ask if they need help. The guy was real mean and said, "I told you before I didn't need any help". We rolled off. In the end it was their loss. They're the ones that never got to fly. It's too bad. I tried to help. [/QUOTE]

So, did you offer help with a smirk and distain on your face? Much of the message is in the delivery as well.

Alot of people I saw at the local public field lack much social skill or any kind of manners, and they think people should grateful just because they offer to 'help'.

Social interaction is a two way street. You offered help, and they turned it down. They have no obligation to receive help from you or anyone, so what's the big deal?

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Re: Re: Re: maybe - 8/21/2003 8:17:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pjtg0707
So, did you offer help with a smirk and distain on your face? Much of the message is in the delivery as well. [/QUOTE]

I asked very nice.

No, no one is obligated to accept help. I'm just saying that if they wouldn't have been so arrogant, and accepted my help, they might have been able to fly, instead they messed with an engine for over an hour. I think we can agree that flying is better than messing with engines.............

Also, I only asked. If I would have been pushy about it, I would have gone right over to the plane and started giving directives like some people. Oh well, I have a great group of students right now. I soloed two last week....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: maybe - 8/21/2003 8:21:03 PM   
Pjtg0707


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Goinstraightup
I asked very nice.

---------snipped--------------

Also, I only asked. If I would have been pushy about it, I would have gone right over to the plane and started giving directives like some people. [/QUOTE]

I guess you know the type of people I am refering to. it's a classic example of arrogant behavior.

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Arrogance at your field? - 8/21/2003 9:21:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		We had a younger fellow (new guy to us) show up at our field and promptly walked up and down the flight line telling us what was wrong with out models. This from a guy who glued his receiver to the balsa in his model so it wouldn't "slide around".

After he couldn't get his engine started we relented and offered to help him. We got him airborne and an instructor stood by to check him out as he told us he was an "expert" flier.

The model kept getting farther and farther away and he would not give control to the instructor. Finally he admitted he couldn't see the model anymore and handed the radio to the instructor.
Well, the instructor tried, but couldn't tell what attitude the aircraft was in because of the distance the model was now at.
I took over (I don't know why) and the only thing I could see was a flash of sunlight off the wings occasionally as I tried to establish its orientation. I put the radio down, turned to this newbie and said, "well, that's a goner".
He swore at us for losing his model and jumped into his 4x4 and took off after it. Well this guy is so much fun that we took off after him.
About 3 miles away there was a swampy area and he drove up to the edge where some folks were having a small campfire.
He asked them if they saw a model airplane and they said no, but they had seen a white duck land in the water,
Hmmm, "white duck" We looked and you could see the model floating in a small channel of water.
The newbie said, "I'll get it!", jumped into his 4x4, drove over an embankment and buried his truck up to the windows in the swamp.
I left and went back to the field laughing all the way.
I just love newbies, tee hee

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Arrogance at your field? - 8/21/2003 9:34:26 PM   
Cactus.



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Status: offline 		great story

just remembered yesterday when i went to the field, a few new faces, tourists? one was standing on the edge of the pits flying ( could be fun landing ), another guy ( one i know as a member ) was on the edge of the patch where he should be, there where also two peg boards out with some pegs on one, more on the normal board... so as things wern't dangerous i laied out my stuff, walked through the pits saying hi to these new guys till i got to the flier in the pits, said hi, just asked if he would mind moving to the patch.
ah is that where i'm meant to be? ok no probs.
good, thats that done with no arrogance taken or given.
next the peg boards. after this guy landed i just asked if some of the pegs from the board were missing and thats why they had out the other
no he said, there were two, isn't this a peg swap system?
oops, no i said, its peg off, we don't use this board anymore. i sorted it out and put the other away.. i didn't mention that it could be taken that the other board was also spare pegs and a shoot down might happen coz it wasn't in danger of happening at that moment.
everyone was happy, i was then happy with the safety too.

thats how i like it done


talking to these new guys was good, i don't normally do that, wern't tourists, just members that don't come out much, esp not weekends.

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Arrogance at your field? - 8/25/2003 1:40:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did not read all of these post but how about this one for arrogance. What about the pilots who are air hogs. They don't care who is flying or how long they have been flying. (either that flight or career wise) They are going to fly no matter what. It is like they are the only ones at the field. We have a couple of them that pal together. Unfortunatley, a couple of weeks ago one of them shot down the other one and destroyed a classic plane. I wasn't at the event but was told about it by a person who was. I wonder if a lesson was learned.

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Arrogance at your field? - 8/26/2003 1:57:20 AM   
Johnnylightning



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Status: offline 		You know, I think we're getting a little too carried away with this.
I learned something very important while flying this weekend. Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures.
Always remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and "****-slap" that mother@#?!&! upside the head!

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Arrogance at your field? - 8/26/2003 3:55:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		We have a new one that tells everyone he is an expert. Clearly he isn't. It is pretty funny to watch sometimes. Kinda scarey though.

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