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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

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So, Mr. Neuberger, You imply that there are already adequate AAA contests within the country without AMA sponsoring Mini-Nats around the country. That would be true only if such events existed. They do NOT!

Now I will be glad to make a Public Apology to YOU, if you can show me any 2011 event listing for a AAA contest within the 48 States that meets the criteria for AAA ratings other than several Free Flight and Control-Line events, and as a mini ''NATS'' provides the required attention to Junior and Senior age groups. That will not be done should a AAA event quickly now show up on the list, only to be canceled right after the promised apology.

With your experience and many awards, I think to suggest as you did, using the terms as you did, you displayed less than a usable understanding of the in-place procedures. I hope that when you become AMA's Executive Vice President, you will take a better interest in the outdated competitions regulations and help rid these ancient shackles from today's and tomorrow's event classifications. In my not-so-humble opinion that would provide a better service than just hanging around several CEOs of the large distributors as your predecessor has done with his ''Marketing Committee''.

Again, Thank You for setting the stage for my reply to you.

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ORIGINAL: s3nfo

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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

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So, Mr. Neuberger, You imply that there are already adequate AAA contests within the country without AMA sponsoring Mini-Nats around the country. That would be true only if such events existed. They do NOT!

Now I will be glad to make a Public Apology to YOU, if you can show me any 2011 event listing for a AAA contest within the 48 States that meets the criteria for AAA ratings other than several Free Flight and Control-Line events, and as a mini ''NATS'' provides the required attention to Junior and Senior age groups. That will not be done should a AAA event quickly now show up on the list, only to be canceled right after the promised apology.

With your experience and many awards, I think to suggest as you did, using the terms as you did, you displayed less than a usable understanding of the in-place procedures. I hope that when you become AMA's Executive Vice President, you will take a better interest in the outdated competitions regulations and help rid these ancient shackles from today's and tomorrow's event classifications. In my not-so-humble opinion that would provide a better service than just hanging around several CEOs of the large distributors as your predecessor has done with his ''Marketing Committee''.

Again, Thank You for setting the stage for my reply to you.

Let's not be so formal, Jerry please,

Thanks for the clarification Horrace. It was never my intention to imply there were currently ''adequate'' class AAA contests to be ''turned into'' mini-regional Nats. I was merely stating my opinion that I wouldn't support starting a new ''Mini-regional Nats'' program when, again, in my opinion, AMA already has a vehicle in place to meet that requirement. The inference on what you thought I'd stated was yours.

Thanks for allowing me to clear that up.

Frank, does that completely answer your question?

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Yes I (as the OP) had some confusion with the AAA statement and the mentioning Scale Master and IMAC contests because unless I missed something they are not AAA events, however I think I understood the gist of your response Jerry. Hoss, because of accusations of RA made to me by the moderator I did not wish to risk another banning by asking for clarification when the main point of my question was answered. Jerry I apologize for not stepping in on this before it got this far.

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ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk

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ORIGINAL: s3nfo

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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

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So, Mr. Neuberger, You imply that there are already adequate AAA contests within the country without AMA sponsoring Mini-Nats around the country. That would be true only if such events existed. They do NOT!

Now I will be glad to make a Public Apology to YOU, if you can show me any 2011 event listing for a AAA contest within the 48 States that meets the criteria for AAA ratings other than several Free Flight and Control-Line events, and as a mini ''NATS'' provides the required attention to Junior and Senior age groups. That will not be done should a AAA event quickly now show up on the list, only to be canceled right after the promised apology.

With your experience and many awards, I think to suggest as you did, using the terms as you did, you displayed less than a usable understanding of the in-place procedures. I hope that when you become AMA's Executive Vice President, you will take a better interest in the outdated competitions regulations and help rid these ancient shackles from today's and tomorrow's event classifications. In my not-so-humble opinion that would provide a better service than just hanging around several CEOs of the large distributors as your predecessor has done with his ''Marketing Committee''.

Again, Thank You for setting the stage for my reply to you.

Let's not be so formal, Jerry please,

Thanks for the clarification Horrace. It was never my intention to imply there were currently ''adequate'' class AAA contests to be ''turned into'' mini-regional Nats. I was merely stating my opinion that I wouldn't support starting a new ''Mini-regional Nats'' program when, again, in my opinion, AMA already has a vehicle in place to meet that requirement. The inference on what you thought I'd stated was yours.

Thanks for allowing me to clear that up.

Frank, does that completely answer your question?

Jerry,
It does as your first response on the AMA forum did. Thank you. Let me explain why I asked in the first place and what my concerns are. I have noticed that there is a distinct lack of AMA RC events that include the Junior and Senior age groups around the country. The Muncie NATS are the exception and I think we are doing a disservice to our younger members by only holding NATS in Muncie where a vast majority of our youths have no means of attending.

If I may let me ask a follow-up question to your response:

The following is a statement from Jim Rice a candidate for the office of AMA President;

• SPONSOR AMA REGIONAL EVENTS & ACTIVITIES:
For years members have asked why AMA couldn’t sponsor National type events in regional areas similar to the NATS in the past. Members who find it too costly to travel to Muncie could once again experience and or participate in these events. As your President, I want to establish a “Regional Event Development Committee” charged with developing programs, resources and initiatives for sponsoring and hosting AMA Multi-District Regional Events and Activities.

As Executive Vice President could you support Jim if he becomes the next AMA President?

Let me close by stating that I would sorely like to hear the opinions of the other candidates on this topic, both Presidential and Executive VP candidates.

Best Regards
Frank

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ORIGINAL: s3nfo
//SNIP//

I will support whoever is elected as the AMA President, however, part of that support is to provide a dissenting opinion where warranted up until the point where the decision is made. Once something's been decided and ratified, you get behind it 100%.

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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

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ORIGINAL: s3nfo
//SNIP//

I will support whoever is elected as the AMA President, however, part of that support is to provide a dissenting opinion where warranted up until the point where the decision is made. Once something's been decided and ratified, you get behind it 100%.

Is that ''... you get behind it....'' a COMMAND or other referral?

I notice you did not say ''I....'' which, in my opinion, is good as I personally am not a supporter of BAD decisions such as some 80 million +/- people made 3 years ago. Unfortunately, our toy airplane association doesn't seem to enjoy a lot of (actually ANY) persons that will stand up and be counted such as in a decision to establish a separate Park Flier membership with ridiculous requirements.

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ORIGINAL: s3nfo


Frank,

I will support whoever is elected as the AMA President, however, part of that support is to provide a dissenting opinion where warranted up until the point where the decision is made. Once something's been decided and ratified, you get behind it 100%.

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ORIGINAL: ctrout

The time it takes to bring anything to the model aircraft world take a beating on the way.
So as with ''all good things take time'' PPP can, just as the AMA forum can. It just takes longer when a few plant seeds all over the place that keep what can be a good place to provide support -into a sand pit playground.
No way to know the help from the seadlings without looking at 3 months of posts to see it.
just like this thread. up and downs will let the viewer ponder but why the guest dropped in was lost quick after a few start the seading or baiting road.
BTW the forum acts more when the users are pushing for change. the mods are looking over why the users are not happy.
The action I see at the AMA forum by the mods are more from the users asking/posting what they think of  the seeds getting dropped all over it.
Something like haveing birds in in your house out of the cage.
be pushed- get pushed.
Or get stuck in the bird bath to clean your self back up.
Just thinking.....

ps I hate that reply thing...
srry red its not your post im talking to..
trout

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ORIGINAL: s3nfo



I will support whoever is elected as the AMA President, however, part of that support is to provide a dissenting opinion where warranted up until the point where the decision is made. Once something's been decided and ratified, you get behind it 100%.

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So as with "all good things take time" PPP can, just as the AMA forum can. It just takes longer when a few plant seeds all over the place that keep what can be a good place to provide support -into a sand pit playground.
No way to know the help from the seadlings without looking at 3 months of posts to see it.

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It is a shame that someone with the skills, talent, knowledge and dedication to the AMA has, by his Genghis Khan approach, put himself out of the running.

"It is not sufficient that I suceed - all others must fail.” Genghis Khan

Or in the words of another great Texan, Ross Perot, "If someone is blessed as I am is not willing to clean out the barn, who will?"

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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

Sorry to ruffle your feathers, Frank, but I do speak my mind. Gets me into all kinds of trouble, but better that than not saying what I'm thinking.

When a statement is made that is easy to take the wrong way, I find that somewhere along the line the stater usually can say, ''I never said that.'' Many times there is more information between the lines than in the lines. I have a thing for specifics and I usually ask for that. Many years ago an attorney tried to get me to write Union Contracts for him because I covered every detail, some he never thought about. I once was in a conversation with the late John Grigg when he was AMA President. I was telling him about the advantages a non-profit (501 (c) (3) ) provided for a Board member. He went to his personal tax adviser (never used one myself) and then John stated to the EC that I was right in all situations. However the tax adviser told John that he would have never thought of most of my deductions and adjustments.

That is what happens in many cases when some folks will go with the flow . They get into a rut. As an airline pilot I sometimes bid a new/same position in another aircraft just to keep from getting shall I say ''Too satisfied and comfortable in the current position.'' A new place can well keep the mind more alert. Same goes for being in a position where ''Yes Sir,'' creates less problems and associated labor than ''No Sir.'' Comfort is great, but IMO, it should be self-limited. So there we are.

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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy



If I read these guys right,
PPP is a seedling getting dropped,
while AMA is a barn that needs to get shoveled out by a Texan

????

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ORIGINAL: Hossfly

What has happened to this forum? There are no comments, no questions, no follow-ups or much of anything for a couple weeks now.