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    RE: First day w/Giles... - 10/15/2004 10:10:10 PM   
    P-40LUVR



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    From: WINDY, KS, USA
    Status: offline     		Jsonin....did you add any right thrust to you'res I have the same model and did not and wondering if it will be ok like that.

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/17/2004 5:34:22 PM   
    Hopsterguy



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    From: Westerly, RI, USA
    Status: offline     		Isn't the Saito awesome on this plane... I love it!. I bet the .82 would be even better!

    -Steve

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    ORIGINAL: Swat Cop

    I used all the factory hardware, the sticks rods, control horns, clevises even the cheesey blue tape to wrap the pushrods. You can get away with a lot on small size airplanes that you can't on larger models. I would say over 100 flights with a Saito 72 and no hint of problems.

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/18/2004 12:06:26 PM   
    cometravi


     

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    Joined: 5/10/2003
    From: Del,
    Status: offline     		Hi,
    I finished her in 1 day flat!!! it was hard work but got it done. Some problems i faced were:
    1. After i finished making the control rods, i noticed that my 2-56 metal clevises wont screw on... he supplied rods r metric so i was forced to use stock plastic may break anytime clevises. I'll change them before i seriously start to wring her out.
    2. The instructions call for engine installation such that the thrust washer of the engine is 121mm from the firewall. I found out that with a 46fx @121m, i ran out of mount!!! Using a 11 x 5 master airscrew.
    3. The instructions call for screwing on the engine. BAD IDEA. My engine came off on a hard landing. (No damage fortunately)
    4. Also i fitted a bigger fuel tank. Btw, i tight packed the fuel tank and could notice bubbles in the line entering the carby.. Will reduce the packing.
    5. The covering was starting to bubble up at places, butnothing that an iron cant fix in a jiffy.
    6. The cowl was a very loose fit and at optimum position, it was touching the engine head. So i left the cowl out for the forst flight.
    7. Balanced it at 105mm or thereabouts. Added 15 gms nose weight. I'll remove that once the cowl comes on.
    6. Overall it was not complicated.

    Flight.

    1. Checked everything, found that i had left the rx batt 'on' by mistake. So switched it with another pack. All's well. Lined her up and pushed the throttle forward. There was a brisk crosswind and the fin was almost like a wind vane but it tracked straight and had a nice shallow takeoff.

    2. At recommended throws, the plane is very twitchy. I forgot to dial in the expo's so maybe thats why.
    3. Stalls were typical. Left wing dropping.
    4. The sink rate is phenominal at idle so u need to fly it in. Knowing when to cut the throttle is an art i need to perfect on this one. The first landing was bumpy but nothing hut except my pride.
    5. On my second flight, while landing, about 2 feet off the ground i used a bit too much elevator and it banged down a bit too hard. The engine came off the mounts on this landing and was hanging on to the fuel tubing. LG was bent a little and the axle was bent bit but no real damage again and i had the whole field telling me why i should use screws and why i should use nuts n bolts, especially since this is the first time i used screws. . Also i'll increase the wheels to 3" since our field is very bumpy.
    6. The 46 fx appeared to be underpowered and the plane felt very slow in the air. Maybe its the prop. I'll try to use an APC. Thinking of getting a 60fx or a 70 4s once i get used to the plane.

    Cheers.....

    < Message edited by cometravi -- 10/18/2004 12:14:23 PM >

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/18/2004 2:04:57 PM   
    Hopsterguy



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    Status: offline     		Cometravi-


    Definately not flying with enough prop for that engine. With a GMS .47 I was using 11x7. It flew well, with good vertical (limited) but had enough power for good aerobatic flights. I since changed to the saito .72 and the ship is totally different in flight. All the extra torque really adds to the ejoyability.

    While I think it's true that this plane likes to be flown in under some power, it floats for me a lot better than some other models that I've seen/flown in the past. Can't say I had all the landing troubles that you have had though... I did manage to bend the gear a few times, but they bent easily back into shape... that's about it.

    I did use the stock hardware on mine... didn't have any problems after many flights... may change to metal clevises.. but that's about it.

    I used rates that were actually higher than suggested, and thought it was a total beauty in the air. But then again, I'm used to high speed precision flying aircraft (delta wings, etc) so that may be part of it... I barely touch the sticks while flying most of the time. I like having reserve deflection for crazy aerobatics. Expo definately helps... though I don't always use it and train my fingers not to over control.

    That's about it... it's definately an aerobatic ship... not a trainer... so it will fly a lot differently. It likes some speed on landings, but not overly so. I've been very happy with this kit overall.

    -steve

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/19/2004 1:46:49 PM   
    Metcalfeclive


     

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    From: Leicester, UNITED KINGDOM
    Status: offline     		Hey Folks,

    It seems as though you guys have had mixed experiences with this beauty...well for what its worth heres my opinions!. Its marketed over here by black horse and all I can say what a bargain! At £70 delivered to the door the build quality and looks of this machine were awsome straight out of the box. I built this with all the supplied hardware, stuck a ASP (magnum) 70 four stroke (secured by self tapping screws), APC 13x6, set all the throws to reccomended except for rudder as much as I could get. I had 50% expo on all surfaces. Engine struck up straight away and the fun started. couple of clicks here and there to get her trimmed and that was it. It will do the book nothing much more to say!. As for landing it was one of my easier planes to land. The huge cowling of sukhois mean they have a fair amount of drag, so long slow shallow approaches are out of the question...just bring her gently over the strip and throttle back, she just sinks onto the runway...easy as pie (If you can fly that is!).

    IMHO for what you pay for it you get a real nice quality sport/weekend hack whick turns a few heads. What you dont get is the flying characteristics of a £1000+ 33% composite aerobat.

    Unfortunately lost it at the weekend due to radio failure/interference (honestly!). I dug the engine out of a very muddy field...cleaned it down, removed the gear, placed the mangled kit in the bin and ordered another...get one you will enjoy it

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 1:53:46 AM   
    dklassen


     

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    From: San Diego, CA,
    Status: offline     		Just ordered my Sukohi and I was wondering, my friend has a NIB Magnum 91 four stroke that he'll let go real cheap. Is it in the realm of possibility to put this engine in the Sukohi?

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 3:29:03 AM   
    Hopsterguy



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    Status: offline     		Heavy, but I'm sure it could be done. Probably would work out okay with putting the servos in the tail.


    The cowl is absolutely huge... so I wouldn't worry about that part.


    -Steve

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dklassen

    Just ordered my Sukohi and I was wondering, my friend has a NIB Magnum 91 four stroke that he'll let go real cheap. Is it in the realm of possibility to put this engine in the Sukohi?

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 4:17:58 AM   
    dklassen


     

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    Status: offline     		Do they provide mounting points in the tail if one chooses that option or do you have to fabricate something? The Magnum is 22.4 oz. That's pretty beefy.

    < Message edited by dklassen -- 10/27/2004 4:36:25 AM >

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 6:03:17 AM   
    Hopsterguy



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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dklassen

    Do they provide mounting points in the tail if one chooses that option or do you have to fabricate something? The Magnum is 22.4 oz. That's pretty beefy.



    It would have to be fabricated... but should be easy. People do it all the time in different models.

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 4:46:41 PM   
    dklassen


     

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    Status: offline     		Thanks for the info. Anyone here actually flying the Sukhoi with a Magnum 91 four cycle?

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 4:59:20 PM   
    Hopsterguy



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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dklassen

    Thanks for the info. Anyone here actually flying the Sukhoi with a Magnum 91 four cycle?



    Lets put it this way... I'm flying with the saito .72 and it balances perfectly with everything in the normal position. Move two servos back... and the flight battery back as far as you can (use an extension if you have to) and you will be okay.

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 5:57:41 PM   
    DaFont


     

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    From: Plainville, CT, USA
    Status: offline     		I have one that I powered with an OS46FX. The aircraft is built light! It's not very rough field worthy. The landing gear has a tendancy to rip out on landing. I've had to epoxy the front end of the AC together many times. If your an experience pilot flying at a paved or well maintained strip, go for it. Otherwise, you might want something built a little better
    DAF

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 7:09:52 PM   
    Hopsterguy



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    Status: offline     		I found the plane itself to be built quite rugged, actually. For it's size, it's on the heavy side of things. It has survived some incidents that other planes would have a tough time with. I agree the landing gear plate could be secured better. Beef it up a little bit and there should be no worries. Landing gear plates and firewalls are the primary complaints among ARF buyers... and you never really know how both of these parts will do until you try it or beef them up like so many people do the moment they get them out of the box. The firewall on this one has been fine for me.


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    ORIGINAL: DaFont

    I have one that I powered with an OS46FX. The aircraft is built light! It's not very rough field worthy. The landing gear has a tendancy to rip out on landing. I've had to epoxy the front end of the AC together many times. If your an experience pilot flying at a paved or well maintained strip, go for it. Otherwise, you might want something built a little better
    DAF

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fro... - 10/27/2004 8:53:56 PM   
    glowplug



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    From: Weirton, WV, USA
    Status: offline     		I also find the plane to be on the heavy, rugged side........I'm surprised to hear that somebody thinks it's light!

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    RE: Anyone Flying the New Phoenix Models Sukhoi .46 Fr... - 10/31/2004 6:53:35 AM   
    dklassen


     

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    From: San Diego, CA,
    Status: offline     		I noticed that the cowl is slightly larger than the firewall. Did you use spaces between the cowl and the firewall to keep the cowl from cracking?

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