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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 4:55:43 PM   
Zpat



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Status: offline 		What would you guys do with this problem?

A normal day at the flying field would consist of giant aerobats,
3D fun flys, small and not so small electrics, ducted fans, helicopters, gliders, and pattern aircraft.

We're all in the sky doing our thing and it gets pretty hairy.

I've had to land over the top of an auto rotating chopper, my tail wheel snagged the glider winch line on take off, and we had a head on with a 40% extra and a GWS foam mustang ( the extra won).

The field is 800' x 150' of sod.

Let's hear some ideas on field set up so we can all do our own thing with without running into each other.
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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 5:01:58 PM   
amcross



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Status: offline 		Zpat,
Some fields I've attended, esp during fun fly and other busy events, ask pilots to take turns flying like models at one time. So the aerobats get 15 minutes, then the gliders, then....

also, many fields have a heli pad and glider launch area that is 90 degrees to the fixed wing runway to help avoid your landing wire problem and such....

at some fields, the giant scale pilots make an unofficial "deal" with the club that htey will fly, lets say, sunday afternoons and the field is politely "given" to htem for those time frames, in turn for them not doing aerobatics over the runway while others are trying to fly at the same time.


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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 5:03:45 PM   
P-51B



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Status: offline 		We limit the number of planes in the sky to four at one club I belong to.

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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 5:57:02 PM   
stang51


 

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Status: offline 		First we limit the number of aircraft in the sky to 6 maximum.
We ask every pilot to limit their flight to about 10 minutes if it is busy.
We divide the flying area into 4 quadrants and if you are going to "turn and burn" stay in that quadrant away from the runway.

We ask all the pilots to use an approach pattern so everyone knows where the others fliers are and for the pilots to call out "landing" or go-around" as they are coming in. or if they abort their landing.

The runway is only for take off/landing; no low screaming low passes when others are up.

We have the pilot boxes about ten feet apart and strongly encourage the pilots to talk with the other pilots standing near them to let them know what they are doing.
We find that with a little communication and disciplined flying there isn't too much of a problem and we all get our aircraft on the ground safely. (well, most of the time)

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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 6:10:42 PM   
Luke 3D returns



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Status: offline 		One solution in my club was the chairman banned all the types of flying he didnt do- prophanging, low fast passes, and 3d aerobatics in general.
You can guess what some people think of him!
Would love to see a pic of the 40% extra head on with GWS Mustang. The term "swat" springs to mind.


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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 8:39:50 PM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Luke 3D returns
One solution in my club was the chairman banned all the types of flying he didnt do- prophanging, low fast passes, and 3d aerobatics in general.
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We had a guy like that, so I taught the others to do what he hated and now everyone does it! hahahahahahaha

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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 8:56:47 PM   
Borzak



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Status: offline 		We limit the number of planes in the air to 4, 5 if you are willing to fly way off to the side out of the pattern (which usually means a heli).

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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 9:42:31 PM   
MustangFan



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Status: offline 		Some good suggestions.

Could also have all pilots fly the same "Pattern".
For example, if you take off right to left, everyone fly in a clockwise pattern (viewed from the top of course) without zig-zagging across the field. Keeps mid-airs to a minimum and eliminates some chaos.

If there is only one plane, he can do as he pleases.

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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 9:59:29 PM   
Luke 3D returns



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Status: offline 		Keeping to the circuit makes flying boring and not worthwhile, even though it saves planes. Most good flyiers dont just fly round in circles.


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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 10:15:09 PM   
amcross



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Status: offline 		Yes, the "fly the pattern" approach seems to be a common attempt which doesnt last long at most fields as it drives away the better pilots....


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Field Congestion - 8/19/2003 10:31:29 PM   
FLYBOY



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Status: offline 		It is very nice to have a caller stand next to you when it is congested to keep track of other traffic for you. I tend to have one no matter how many planes are in the air if one is available. Got used to it flying the circut and never stopped. The only time I don't is if I am on the slope with just a couple of friends, but then we are usually dogfighting anyway or flying formation.

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Now yer gringing my axe - 8/20/2003 12:53:44 AM   
Low Wing



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Status: offline 		1.) Find another field...

2.) Set up a timer bell (for 8 minute's)...when it sounds the four or five pilots on the line land and the next 4-5 go up...

3.) Aero-batic guy's(as far as direction) fly the back of the field and everybody else fly circles closer in...

4.) Fly during the week...

5.) Tell them a new field just opened down the road (this will only work once) and they are giving away R/C stuff...while their gone block the road the leads back into the field your at...

6.) kick everybody's @$$ and tell em to go home...

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Re: Now yer gringing my axe - 8/20/2003 1:11:20 AM   
Jim_McIntyre



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Low Wing
3.) Aero-batic guy's(as far as direction) fly the back of the field and everybody else fly circles closer in...
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... and lower.

Pretty much how it works at our field. Problem is it still gets congested when several aerobatic types go up simultaneously. Lucily we know each other and can co-ordinate well.

Helis are a different matter. Most decent heli flyers can mix well with the traffic but a handfull of fixed-wing-only flyers are intimidated by them. We try to accomodate them whenever we can but free time at the field is often limited for us "married with children" types.

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Field Congestion - 8/20/2003 1:19:51 AM   
Borzak



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Status: offline 		4-5 planes at medium field is easily doable. It's only a problem when one guy/gal flying must fly from one end to the other of the field every 20 seconds at multiple altitudes.

It's like you get a part of the sky but one person thinks you must give them the right away for the whole field while up.

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Field Congestion - 8/20/2003 1:24:19 AM   
Jim_McIntyre



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Status: offline 		Most of those "centre stage" types in my area fly warbirds.

Now, I have nothing against warbirds (in fact I own a few) but, just how many 'straffing runs followed by victory rolls' does one person have to do in one flight. :

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Field Congestion - 8/20/2003 1:31:33 AM   
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