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R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 9/7/2011 12:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Express_Airlines_Flight_105 I was browsing wikipedia and i found this under plane crashes. RIP all on Flight 105.

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 9/7/2011 1:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		That was a long time ago. Periodically a big deal is made of the lack of stick and rudder skills in the airline industry. This accident was much like the mishandling of Air France and Colgan Air of the last couple of years.  
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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 9/7/2011 4:48 AM   
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That was the only crash Midwest ever had. It has since been taken over by Fronter.

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 9/7/2011 11:31 PM   
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That was a long time ago. Periodically a big deal is made of the lack of stick and rudder skills in the airline industry. This accident was much like the mishandling of Air France and Colgan Air of the last couple of years.  
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Sorry stuntflyr. I was looking for things that happened september 6 and this came up, and i wanted to share it.


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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 9/8/2011 11:21 PM   
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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 10/22/2011 6:00 AM   
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They haven't been taken over by Frontier, but by Republic Airways... It is really sad to see the legacy of Midwest replaced by Embraer Regional Jets with those flying them barely making ends meet. Look up the ERJ-170/190 wage for the FO. Then figure they only fly 1000 hours a year. Tough business I suppose.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/republic.html

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 11/23/2011 7:43 AM   
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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 11/23/2011 1:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a good friend that was the pilot of a Navion that crashed shortly after takeoff. The NTSB determined that one of the propeller blade pitch arms failed allowing the one blade to go to flat pitch. In essence, he had a full throttle power failure.

He and his passengers survived a landing on a riverbank with impacts on small trees.

His statement that I will ALWAYS remember; "Tom, they teach it and they teach it, but the damned hardest thing I've ever done was to keep pushing forward on that wheel when I knew all we could do was hit the forest."

Unless you've been there and seen what the pilot saw out the window, you'll never know what caused him to do what he did.

Good news out of an accident, on 27 passengers were on board, there could have been 72.

Also the DC-9-series 10/14/15 is the "hard' leading edge family of the DC-9's there are no leading edge slats to improve low speed handling.

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 11/23/2011 4:16 PM   
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http://www.airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=396

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 11/24/2011 7:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to shed some light on the crash of Midwest flight 105.  The captain of that fatal crash was the father of my wife.  At the time, her mother was 7 months pregnant with her.  There are some things about that crash that many people do not know.  NTSB stated that it was pilot error yet they failed to mentioned a very important point.  They claim pilot error to avoid paying out any insurance to the families.  ****s!  What was happening back then was horrible in terms of the maintenance of the planes.  About seven years after the accident my mother in-law had met a commercial airplane mechanic.  She had shown him the reports by the NTSB and any associated documents.  Upon reading the reports he had said that it was ****, that they say what they say to save their asses.  No crew alive...who's there to disagree with the investigation?.  What was found out, ( Dateline episode in '92 or '93 ) was that when the turbines were disassemble for PM's, parts were sent out to sub-contrators for refurbishing or repairs, was that when they came in they would simply remove the old tag and replace it with a tag showing that it was repaired and send it back out to the airlines.  With the engine on the DC-9 there was a ring that was sent to be repaired, it was full of hairline cracks that those ****s should of found and replaced tthe ring with a new one, but in order to save costs and keep up efficiencies they simply do a quick visual inspection and mark it as "good".  And it is because of those murders that the engine had failed.  If they had done there job, there would have been no issues.  At the time of the Dateline episode, the supervisor of the shop where the parts were sent out to be repaired quit his job and was not available for questioning.  Yet, other workers had come out to say what was really going on.  During the crash clean up it was noted that Captain Danny Martin's right arm was severed at the elbow and his hand was tightly gripping the controls.  He struggled to save the plane with all he had.

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 11/24/2011 12:23 PM   
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I'd like to shed some light on the crash of Midwest flight 105.  The captain of that fatal crash was the father of my wife.  At the time, her mother was 7 months pregnant with her.  There are some things about that crash that many people do not know.  NTSB stated that it was pilot error yet they failed to mentioned a very important point.  They claim pilot error to avoid paying out any insurance to the families.  ****s!  What was happening back then was horrible in terms of the maintenance of the planes.  About seven years after the accident my mother in-law had met a commercial airplane mechanic.  She had shown him the reports by the NTSB and any associated documents.  Upon reading the reports he had said that it was ****, that they say what they say to save their asses.  No crew alive...who's there to disagree with the investigation?.  What was found out, ( Dateline episode in '92 or '93 ) was that when the turbines were disassemble for PM's, parts were sent out to sub-contrators for refurbishing or repairs, was that when they came in they would simply remove the old tag and replace it with a tag showing that it was repaired and send it back out to the airlines.  With the engine on the DC-9 there was a ring that was sent to be repaired, it was full of hairline cracks that those ****s should of found and replaced tthe ring with a new one, but in order to save costs and keep up efficiencies they simply do a quick visual inspection and mark it as "good".  And it is because of those murders that the engine had failed.  If they had done there job, there would have been no issues.  At the time of the Dateline episode, the supervisor of the shop where the parts were sent out to be repaired quit his job and was not available for questioning.  Yet, other workers had come out to say what was really going on.  During the crash clean up it was noted that Captain Danny Martin's right arm was severed at the elbow and his hand was tightly gripping the controls.  He struggled to save the plane with all he had.
Wow, thar's a real in-depth story. Thank you for this post and information.


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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 11/25/2011 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great post, hando. Unfortunately, many U.S. airlines still farm out to inferior subcontractors.

The TSA was created to insulate the airlines from lawsuits. Legislation was passed within 3 days of 9/11 removing the airlines from liability, similar to the TARP 'emergency' protecting Wall street and the banks. Money runs this country, simply disgraceful!

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 2/24/2012 12:34 AM   
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I have a friend who was on the flight from Madison to Milwaukee and was supposed to go on to Atlanta.

The pilot told him some disturbing information regarding the plane and the right engine - and my friend got off.

He has never been interviewed.

The wife of the pilot wrote a book called Crash of Flight 105.




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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 2/24/2012 1:37 AM   
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I have a friend who was on the flight from Madison to Milwaukee and was supposed to go on to Atlanta.

The pilot told him some disturbing information regarding the plane and the right engine - and my friend got off.

He has never been interviewed.

The wife of the pilot wrote a book called Crash of Flight 105.



Wow! Now THAT is nearly dodging a bullet! P.S, is the book at any book stores like Barnes and Nobles? I might want to read it.

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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 2/24/2012 1:51 AM   
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Here is the book URL

http://www.hiddenbrookpress.com/Book-crash.html

I'm going to buy it.

The information that was given to my friend PROVES that there was knowledge about the right engine problems
BEFORE take off. I cannot imagine that the pilot (Martin) did not share his concerns with maintenance.

Many mistakes were made - but I do not believe they were made by the pilot.

There was one person on the review board who disagreed with the findings that the pilot was the main reason for the
crash. I'm hoping that through our efforts - we can get the pilot cleared.


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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 2/24/2012 2:50 AM   
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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 2/24/2012 3:12 AM   
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Dateline or 20/20 did do a story almost 20 years ago.

I can't find the video on the net.

But NO ONE - not even the FAA inteviewed my friend who got off the plane.

He is the only survivor of that flight - by getting off of it.

He rented a car and drove home. Everyone thought he was dead until he showed up at home in Cleveland
many hours later. This was 1985 - way before the days of cell phones and instant communication.

He is a radio broadcasting icon. Was a big deal even back then.

Still odd that he was never interviewed.

My friend did not know there was a controversy regarding the crash until I found the book on line last year.


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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 2/24/2012 8:24 AM   
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RE: R.I.P Midwest Flight 105 - 3/6/2012 5:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to clear something up here.  One of the replies (tcdoug), goes on to say that he has a friend that never flew do to what the Captain stated.  I would just like to say that there was a crew change in Milwaukee.  So the Captain that would of stated that would have been the one getting off the plane.  Captain Danny Martin came onto the plane with his crew.  An interesting thing that occurred numerous times at Midwest head office was the fact that employee's would see a Captain walking around the halls, whistling "strangers in the night", he was a big Sinatra fan, and no one could ever find where he had went.

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