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crashman1432 -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (2/23/2012 8:11 PM)

Are you going to have to modify the cowl for it to fit? I would love to check out any build thread or pictures that you might would have. Im sure everyone would enjoy any flight videos when the time comes. Is it a built up wing, if so what do you think of the quality of the kit (parts fit etc.) I am basically hiving to re-engineer the DS plan and kit. Thanks for the help. My e-mail is crashman1432@gmail.com if we could talk outside the evolution 260 forum.
Charles




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/18/2012 12:45 AM)

I have noticed this thread has been inactive so I thought I would perk it up a bit. I completed my Beast with the 160 and it turned out nearly perfect. the plane weighed 30.5 LBs and the engine had gobs of power. it was fun to either fly smoothly WACO style at third throttle or one half throttle would hold an indefinite knife edge. Full power was able to pull the plane straight up. Regardless of the additional weight the Beast flew lightly and landed easily. A true joy to fly until a failed battery to the fuel pump failed when the plane was flying slowly with the wind. The airframe was badly damaged but fortunately the engine was fine. A sad loss. the engine did benifit greatly operationally with the fuel pump. -Tom




derjager -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 8:00 PM)

http://youtu.be/_WqtWoMO4Xk

The latest video with the radial engine continuing to perform very well.

One of the passes is at full throttle and although the video does not show it the plane will climb almost vertically of of site.

The engine remains very easy to use both from a starting and maintenance point of view.

There are absolutely no cooling issues that you find on other makes of radial engines

I continue to be impressed

Steve




ozzie454 -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 9:39 PM)

What did the weight come out to on your airplane Steve ?


Roy




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 9:53 PM)

Steve, the 160 is the same way in terms of cooling. I have owned two of those other radials and they do run much hotter. I did a spark plug inspection on all 7 cylinders of my 160 and they all indicate identical combustion conditions so there is definitely equal distribution of fuel. Vibration is nearly nonexistent. -Tom




derjager -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 9:59 PM)





derjager -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 10:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ozzie454

What did the weight come out to on your airplane Steve ?


Roy

The plane comes out at about 58 lbs but as you can see the evo 260 eats it.

On the third pass the throttle is fully open and the vertical performance is very impressive




derjager -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 10:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Maxam

Steve, the 160 is the same way in terms of cooling. I have owned two of those other radials and they do run much hotter. I did a spark plug inspection on all 7 cylinders of my 160 and they all indicate identical combustion conditions so there is definitely equal distribution of fuel. Vibration is nearly nonexistent. -Tom


Hi Maxam,

My 260cc has now run for several hours and I recently took all the plugs out to check them and they were all the same correct color indicating consistent running




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/22/2012 10:33 PM)

Steve, Excellent! These radials have brought so much renewed enthusiasm for me. I have been doing RC for thirty years and was starting to get bored but not any more. Could we have ever dreamed that engines like these would become available. On my Beast an 18 oz tank was plenty for the engine, good for 15 min with some left over. I will build another. -Tom




bakerboat -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/30/2012 9:03 PM)

Hi,

Could anyone tell me the O.D. of the 260 electronics module, the bolt hole circle diameter for the mounting plate and the O.D. of the mounting plate? Sure would be a nice touch if UMS/Evolution/Horizon could provide these details.
Thanks,
Ken




harleydoberman -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/31/2012 5:16 PM)

Here are some pictures of my Balsa USA Stearman with A evo 260 Radial. Ready for paint and covering.
Hope to fly by end of may.




harleydoberman -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (3/31/2012 5:18 PM)

more pics




darren763 -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (4/1/2012 10:35 PM)

Nice build there Harley.

Darren




harleydoberman -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (4/3/2012 2:58 AM)

THANK YOU





Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (4/8/2012 2:17 AM)

I have observed an interesting occurrence with gas radials including my 160. The oil ratio I am using is 40:1 and early on with both the evo radials and the Moki's the exhaust residue is a difficult to clean black goo that gets all over everything. When the engines accumulate time they one day simply stop producing the goo and the exhaust becomes quite clean. Steve, have you observed this? -Tom




Edhamp -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (4/29/2012 10:07 PM)

MOKI have a new 5 cyl 180CC radial with the following specs

  • Displacement 180 cc
  • Power about 9.5 hp
  • Weight 4600 g including ignition
Recommended Propeller
  • 2 blades 26 x 16, 28 x 14, 30 x 12
  • 3 blades 24 x 16, 26 x14
The EVO 160CC claims a HP of 10.6 and 26x12 3 blade. Do you guys think this is an optimistic figure, also nearly 2HP more the MOKI150 for 10cc? I guess this must be due to having more cylinders and other design differences, ignition, fuel/air distribution etc. I would like to think the EVO will be able to fly my carf Corsair which is nearing completion and will work out at around 42lb with this engine.  I neither want an overpowered or underpowered aeroplane. We already know the EVO 260 will not fit. MOKI have shown a 7 cylinder 250 but that is probably too much power and cost and from the post here the 160CC seems to be a nice engine!

Thanks
Edhamp




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (4/29/2012 11:44 PM)

Ed, I have a 160 and have had a moki 150 and 215, both with turbulators for greatly improved running. Figures for you to consider. The 160 turns a Xoar 28x12 at 5700, a Xoar and SEP 28x14 at 5200 rpm. I have also fitted a Xoar 30x14 and got 4300 rpm. This is of course too large but the engine ran smoothly and happily on this big 215 size prop. The 28x14 seems to be an ideal prop which unloads greatly in the air approaching the HP peak without over speeding in a dive. I hope these figures are helpful.-Tom




Edhamp -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (4/30/2012 12:57 AM)

Thank you  Tom, very useful info and  certainly impressive figures for the 160.

I have another thread here where I am fitting the EVO160 into the CARF Corsair.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_11036370/anchors_11089136/mpage_2/key_/anchor/tm.htm#11089136

cheers




Edhamp -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (7/5/2012 9:11 PM)

EVO 160 ENGINE TEST & SOUND:

This thread has gone a bit quiet, so here is a short vid of my EVO 160 on its test stand, for the CARF Corsair as previous post.

http://youtu.be/aFrovdQmYW4


From my experience so far, the EVO160 is a very impressive engine, despite a couple of minor niggles already gone into on my Corsair thread. This engine starts really easily from  cold after choking and hot, hand flipping only required, the manual choke worked fine . I deliberately set the tank lower than the carb by approx 6 inches with a longer than will be used fuel feed pipe (large diameter tygon, not the narrow stuff) to see if there would be any problems in drawing fuel into the carb without a fuel pump. There was none and, the inaccessible primer bulb fitted to the walbro was not required.
I do not think you will need an auxiliary fuel pump with this engine. The conventional pulsed fuel diaphragm set up works well. The engine seems to sip fuel, a 32oz tank is more than enough.

Throttle response was fantastic straight out the box (the engine seems to have been properly set up at the factory).

Full throttle (only a few brief seconds at this stage of running in!!) FRIGHTENING, enought to lift the two sandbags and a large bag of heavy compost weighing down the test stand. The 260 must be awesome! This motor will have plenty of power for  50lb scale model.  I ran it with a 26x12N 3 blade Menzlik. Without any tuning at this stage and using running in oil mix,  5500rpm  was seen and will idle fine as slow as 1000. The exhaust ring is pretty effective and quiet at lower trottle settings and with this prop  No problems with any miss-firing cylinders or cold spots at any time and glad to say nothing came loose like exhaust mounting nuts. 

The engine sound to me is more V12 than big block V8, in this respect, I think a large 5 cylinder MOKI260 has the edge with a more throaty deeper scale sound, whereas the EVO 160 sounds better than the  Moki150 which, in my view, can sometimes sound a bit tame in an enclosed cowl. On the other hand there is a fair bit of mechanical "clatter" with the Evo160 which may reduce with the cowl on and only noticeable close up to the engine. The sound gets better further away as the lower frequencies come through.

Overall the easy starting, good pick -up, slow idle, smooth vibration free running, and sheer power are all good so far. Very impressed.  I already have another dream project lined up for this engine - it fits perfectly in the cowl of a 1/4 scale Curtiss Goshawk from some old Dick Barron plans that I have ....................................................... 




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (7/5/2012 11:32 PM)

Ed, Glad to hear of your successful run with the 160. My Yak 55 is nearing completion with my 160. I do have the old prototype carb on mine so I am happy to hear you do not seem to require a fuel pump. Do not be afraid to adjust the fuel mixture. You might be surprised. I have idled mine down to 400 rpm!! 600-800 is more ideal though. -Tom




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (7/12/2012 10:27 PM)

I now have flown my 35% Yak 55M with the Evo 160 spinning a SEP 28x14 prop. The plane came out to a disappointing 32.5 #, 2# heavier than the Beast. Well very fortunately it flies like it weighs many pounds less and floats on landing. I have switched to Stihl Hp Ultra oil still 40-1 ratio. In the air this engine is now winding out and has outstanding power! Take offs at 1/3 power are solid. Full power takes the model straight up like a DA 100 does!!!




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (7/22/2012 4:42 PM)

Yesterday I was out at the field flying my Yak with the 160. I flew 8 times throughout the day. First the ignition system draws very little power. I am using an 1800MA Lipo 2 cell and I drew 800 MA out of it for about an hour and 45 minutes of flying. Second the engine was a breeze to run all day. No fiddling!! I have an 18 oz tank which is good for a solid 12 min of flight and landing with 1/4-1/3 tank left. The engine is a delight to fly. The guys sure enjoy the "big sound". Our fields official sound check 20 feet around all sides of the plane averaged 88 db with 89 the loudest so it will not bother people. A hell of a fine engine!!! -Tom




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (7/23/2012 1:06 PM)

While flying on Saturday the 21st of July another member filmed my Yak with the 160. I am not sure how to URL but you can find it on Youtube under Evolution 160cc 7 cylinder gas radial in RC OMP Yak. Flying is just OK as I am still getting used to the plane. -Tom




Maxam -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (7/25/2012 1:51 PM)

All, I wanted to report immediately do not use Stihl Ultra 2 cycle oil! After cleaning up my radial and making a new keeper for one of the valves( not listed as an available part from Horizon), I went through the valve adjustment procedure. I removed all 7 plugs. Turning the engine sounded like sand was poured into the engine. Seriously the engine sounded like it was ruined!!! There was squeaking from the followers etc. Well being dismayed I went ahead and adjusted the valves and put the plugs back in. I dumped my stihl premix in my weedwacker can and made up a batch of 40/1 Amsoil Interceptor like I used before. Nervously I started the engine on this premix (I did drip some oil over the cams through a follower hole first). It did start up and I ran it for about 10 minutes at different throttle settings. I allowed it to cool down completely and I removed all 7 plugs and Phew!! It turned smoothly and quietly. No wonder this oil is popular with the Moki radial crowd. What a scare........-Tom




kiwiphil126 -> RE: Evolution 7 cylinder 260cc radial engine - Operation and maintenance (9/27/2012 6:14 AM)

Jerry Bates 115" Sea Fury under way with the 260 7 cyl under construction , fitts in with room to spare and should handle this 55-60 lb with ease and authority . Would have liked to put a Solo prop on it however they tell me that as this has a 12mm shaft they only go to 10mm on the adapter bolts ,, any ideas much appreciated as to how to get around this problem
cheers from down under 
phil




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