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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 5:49 PM   
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Can you put the rest of the MFGR names on the bottom so we can see who got what?

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 6:10 PM   
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Andy,

Can you put the rest of the MFGR names on the bottom so we can see who got what?





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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 6:36 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 6:59 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 7:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me, the jet community has had a major "paradigm shift" the last 3-4 years. Would love to know the "demographics" behind this chart! How long in the hobby, how long with a Turbine Waiver, how many jets owned, etc. I remember the first jet event I ever attended...it was pretty much BVM F-100's, Kingcats, Bobcats and CARF Lightnings, Airworld's with a small sprinkle of SM, Boomerangs and the likes. Now, that could be because of my locale but I remember FL Jets about 4-5 years ago seemed to be when SM was making a HUGE splash into the market along with Fei Bao and Jet Legends (Chinese ARF's) I saw folks that have been in the hobby for only a year buying these cheaper jets, NOT the BVM F-100's and Kingcats! Getting the dream airframe was now accessible for half the price to people with little or no building experience and not willing to put the time in too! The guys that were flying the F-100's and kingcats and lightnings back then...they are still buying Ultra Bandits, Mibo A-10's and such.

Actually, I am wondering if those that forged the jet pathway for this hobby even voted OR...even get on these type of threads for that matter! And, I am wondering how many voted that don't even have a "worst" company but have a friend that had a bad experience. I look at the outcome and I am not surprise at all, actually could have predicted this. But, I have had 11 of their airframes and have really enjoyed each one of them and had no issues. AND, I still want a Tomahawk Hawk, Airworld F-100 and CARF Lightning!!!

This is just an observation I have.

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 7:57 PM   
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JMP makes ARFs?


Poll says "kits" not ARFS

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't know the demographics. This is just a plain and simple all out vote for those reading RCU. I was surprised to see BVM getting so many votes. Maybe because of this "change in demographics" you mention of people who don't want to go to the trouble of building and paying more money for higher quality components. Or maybe just an over dislike of the company. I don't know. It is interesting to see that there is ...some dis-satisfaction with them.

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea...agreed! I bet there is a lot of "relationship" aspect to this too...rubbed the wrong way by personalities and such. I guess my point is...would love to have seen what this kind of poll looked like 4-5 years ago!!! The chart would be configured in portrait rather than landscape for sure!!! LOL...just thinking...there would probably be no need for a poll 4-5 years ago...most companies everyone is slaying were just getting to some growth in the market!!!

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps the OP can clarify if this is "kit" in the strict definition, or "kit" meaning ARF's, too. Aren't most jet 'kits' really ARF's?

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:34 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:41 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:45 PM   
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Perhaps the OP can clarify if this is ''kit'' in the strict definition, or ''kit'' meaning ARF's, too. Aren't most jet 'kits' really ARF's?


Dictionary definition:

"A set of parts or materials to be assembled: a model airplane kit." ARF's and non ARF's would both fall into this catagory.

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 8:52 PM   
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Yep, Rxbear, I think you've got some GREAT points. This site is full of a lot of people speaking definitively about things they know little or nothing about. Personalities plays a big part, too. That's for sure. I've stopped using certain brands based entirely on who their reps are, but that's different than voting them 'worst' at something (unless there's a poll for 'worst reps' down the line). To see JMP get a vote means someone's either mad at them or an idiot (in, of course, my humble opinion). Then again, I've sold ARFs to people who call me every ten minutes because they can't figure out how to install the servos. For someone like that, I'm sure that ARF was the worst they've encountered...

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 9:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		i can not help but think that this poll is not comparing like for like, how can we compare BVM with any china import the costs are not comparable, its like comparing Rolls Royce with a Ford.The most popular kits will get the most votes because they sell more kits hence the reason that SkyGate are at the bottom of the chart!! By the way FEJ sold out of kits that they took and had lots of orders at The recent Jet-Power event may be its because they give value for money!! Just my 2 cents worth.

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 9:11 PM   
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Yes but its the little stuff also that the China companies don't do. Like keeping updates about their products for problems with them and fixes for them. Or crappy instructions or incorrect CG and throws. Leaking gear door cylinders are another bunch of crap. When your spending $1500 to $3500 on a airframe with gear they should really spend $20 extra dollars and use good hardware and non leaking gear.

BVM is always refining his products. If their is a problem with an airframe he will post a fix and addendum for it.


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i can not help but think that this poll is not comparing like for like, how can we compare BVM with any china import the costs are not comparable, its like comparing Rolls Royce with a Ford.The most popular kits will get the most votes because they sell more kits hence the reason that SkyGate are at the bottom of the chart!! By the way FEJ sold out of kits that they took and had lots of orders at The recent Jet-Power event may be its because they give value for money!! Just my 2 cents worth.



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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 9:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andy, I like your trade mark quote.

I hope all make a note of that as well.

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 9:46 PM   
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Yes but its the little stuff also that the China companies don't do. Like keeping updates about their products for problems with them and fixes for them. Or crappy instructions or incorrect CG and throws. Leaking gear door cylinders are another bunch of crap. When your spending $1500 to $3500 on a airframe with gear they should really spend $20 extra dollars and use good hardware and non leaking gear.

BVM is always refining his products. If their is a problem with an airframe he will post a fix and addendum for it.


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i can not help but think that this poll is not comparing like for like, how can we compare BVM with any china import the costs are not comparable, its like comparing Rolls Royce with a Ford.The most popular kits will get the most votes because they sell more kits hence the reason that SkyGate are at the bottom of the chart!! By the way FEJ sold out of kits that they took and had lots of orders at The recent Jet-Power event may be its because they give value for money!! Just my 2 cents worth.





I wish CARF and would "refine" their fuse half joining seems!!!

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 9:56 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 9:59 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 10:00 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 10:09 PM   
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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 10:32 PM   
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but still a valid data...

(So Fei bao beat BVM... whao )

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 10:39 PM   
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You forget put in the list Airworld and Tomahawk. Why ?

For any reason or you really forget ? [>:]

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 11:08 PM   
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Andy, I like your trade mark quote.

I hope all make a note of that as well.

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I've taken note and I'm keeping a list .

I like Sluggo's as well.

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RE: Poll - Worst Jet Kit Manufacturer - 9/29/2011 11:51 PM   
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I'd be surprised if most of (if not all) the BVM votes didn't come from people who have never owned/built a BVM product.

Me too. I'm surprised that 31 people voted against BVM. BVM is the top-of-the-line. And for Cermark and Skymaster (even JHH) to rate better than BVM. Surprising! Must be that those people don't like the BVM prices or the lack of choices of jets. I can't imagine anything else.

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