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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/19/2012 9:46 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/20/2012 6:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		How would this truck be for a first Real RC if run stock? Looking for something that is going to take a beating and keep going for my Son, he's 6. Need something that can run on pavement, Grass, gravel and dirt.

THinking about a Torment, Rucks or maybe an Evader.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/20/2012 7:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wanted to provide some feedback on the torment as this thread influenced me to pick one up.  It was for my son's 9th birthday, and we're new to the RC scene.  He'd been wanting one of these, and I admit they're pretty cool looking.

Well, we seemed like we had a fair amount of problems with the Torment.  As a new driver he was going through grass, some dirt, and going up a patio step with a cardboard ramp as a small jump.  So it wasn't as if he was doing any insane bashing.  Our first problem was a stripped spur gear.  I tore the rear apart (again, new to all of this before I realized that I just needed to remove the side cover with 3 screws).  I found that the set screw for the pinion gear had come out so it was moving around and eventually stripped the spur gear.  I replaced the spur only to have a problem again where the set screw had come out of the pinion, so now I loctighted it.  Our next problem was with the ESC losing throttle memory (or so explained by LHS).  No one knew how to reprogram the ESC and it was through trial and error I got it working.  Jr. learned to stop the truck at the first sign of the battery going down, but it happened again a few days later where the throttle wasn't working.  We then experienced a problem with the spur gear getting torn up again, but this time it was because the motor had worked its way lose (both screws) so pinion was moving around.  I've sinced loctighted everything and we haven't had any problems (although we've had a drive shaft popout twice).

But by this point, I'd had it with the ECX and went back to get what I originally was planning on, which was the Traxxas Slash.  I can say that the two are almost night and day in that the Slash is better built and the hardware seems more rebust (more use of metal parts for suspension versus all plastic for Torment).  Little things such as physically securing the ESC on the slash versus doublesided tape to hold down the ESC on the torment (which lost it's stickiness and is now held down with duct tape underneath it).  With both trucks running 7 cell batteries, the Slash will run down the Torment.  So it's slightly faster.  I can also say that the suspension is better with the Slash in that I can see it has more body roll but seems to set and hold a turn better in the grass/dirt than the Torment.  Also, when going over our small jump the Torment lands with a thunk (as if suspension is bottoming out) versus the Slash is smooth and soaks up the bumps.

We've had zero problems with the Slash, and I like that there's a ton of support online as well as even their packaging provided spare gears, tools, and a quality manual. 

Both trucks are holding up well with no broken parts and both seem to absorb impacts well.  I don't like the smaller clips to hold the Torment body down versus the larger ones on the Slash (son says it's easier for him to grab the larger ones).  You can't necessarily change the rear clips to larger ones as there's a rib across the back of the body that wouldn't allow the larger body clips to fit.

In looking at this thread, I see many people appear to be experienced so they're making modifications to address some of the short comings.  If I knew early on that I needed to loctight everything this would've saved me from burning through 2 spur gears.  As well as everyone seems to note the need to change the oil in the shocks.  As we're just learning this hobby, I don't mind going through this process.  But having to learn the hardway within the first few days of ownership was making it a burden.  We haven't had the Torment lose it's ESC memory again, but this was another unknown and googling doesn't identify how to reset it.

I think for the money what you get is still a nice truck with the 2.4g radio.  But that cost savings does show up when compared to the Slash in terms of body build, design, and rebustness of parts.  I think as a first RC truck, I'd steer people towards the Traxxas (or at least another comparable brand with a strong history).  The availability of parts at the LHS for the Torment is a fraction of the Traxxas, and as an example, I had to buy 2 whole gear packs just to get the spur gear as they didn't have any packages of just the spur gear alone in stock.

So for the new owner dads, get the Torment knowing you should follow the advice of everyone in this thread so as to make the rig as reliable as possible.




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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/21/2012 4:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		  Wow!  Trills I hate that happened to you.  Did you call Horizon about any of this?  Their support is actually pretty good.  When I bought my torment the body sat crooked on the truck.  I called horizon after I did everything to correct it.  We determined there was a flaw in the rear body post and shock tower.  They were quick to send me replacements, they even took parts off another truck b/c they were on back order.  This resolved my problem.  Just wondering if you called them b/c they may have been able to help you with replacement gears and what not.

I had a slash 4x4, I have a sc10 4x4 and a HPI Blitz along with the torment.  I traded the slash b/c I had issues with the gears in that truck and the ESC failed on me.  I am building the other two trucks, but the Torment seems to take a good beating.  I agree that the ESC should be attached to the truck better as mine too has come loose.  If you put some slash big bore xxl shocks on the torment it works way better on landings.  I know that sounds crazy, but since the Torment is new there aren't many hop-ups available.  Although my LHS told me that companies are n the process of building hop-up parts.  I too am getting back into this and am learning as well.  This is all my opinion but the Torment seems to be a good capable truck, but as you said it does require some upgrades.  If you go on RCtech you can find parts needed at a discount from other users.
 


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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/21/2012 4:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		My friend and I have raced our Torments on an indoor carpet track for about four months twice a month and we haven't broken anything. We race with a school group and many of the kids have Slashes. They break along with other off road trucks. I believe the Torment is a good value for the price considering you get a spektrum radio. I also agree with izu4u. I have had good luck with the Horizon.  trsills, I'm sorry to hear you have had bad luck.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/22/2012 6:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding uzi4u's comment about touching base with Horizon Hobby, the LHS said the same thing and also said they've typically had good support when they had to call as well (such as when they were helping another customer with programming the ESC).  But I was just frustrated cause I knew Jr. was really disappointed since he couldn't play with his new b-day toy and I was out of town.  But I'll say that the Torment has held up well since I loctited everything and we've had no problems since (although I still need to get some double sided tape to hold down the ESC cause I hate seeing the duct tape).  On the other hand, Jr. has seemingly put the Slash through h3ll and it has been flawless.   So I'm still sold on the Traxxas brand even though the Torment is pretty good for its price point.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/22/2012 3:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		 One of the big advantages for young drivers with the Traxxas trucks is the settings on the esc. You can set it in practice mode if you want.  That's a feature that they ECX vehicles should have.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/23/2012 5:21 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/23/2012 5:45 PM   
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Any idea what the runtime would look like with a 7 cell 3000Mah NiMh?




What is your setup?  Stock?



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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/23/2012 5:48 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/23/2012 6:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Do the water break in on the motor.  I get about 30 to 40 min out of mine.  I've been running mostly on pavement.
I just got some Robbers on the truck.  The grip is sick on pavement.  I need to do some upgrades to keep it from rolling so much.




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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/23/2012 7:11 PM   
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 Do the water break in on the motor.  I get about 30 to 40 min out of mine.  I've been running mostly on pavement.
I just got some Robbers on the truck.  The grip is sick on pavement.  I need to do some upgrades to keep it from rolling so much.




Wow that seems pretty good.  I typically use the 7c 3800 in the Torment that had originally came with the Slash, and Jr. drives the Slash with a 7c 5100 and we're in the 25-30 min range.  I'm a lot easier on the throttle where as he's typically full throttle all the time.  We're driving in grass and dirt as well as our loop has a small jump over a patio step and two straights that are probably 80' long. 

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 1:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So if I pickup, let say 3 DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Stick Standard Plug, he should be good for at least running an hour?

would it be better to use the flat packs of the Hump packs?

Was contemplating one of these

Option One: DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Stick Standard Plug

Option Two: DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Hump Standard Plug

I see ECX sells a velcro hold down strap, but I believe I have enough velcro wire ties to just use those instead.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 2:54 PM   
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So if I pickup, let say 3 DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Stick Standard Plug, he should be good for at least running an hour?

would it be better to use the flat packs of the Hump packs?

Was contemplating one of these

Option One: DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Stick Standard Plug

Option Two: DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Hump Standard Plug

I see ACX sells a velcro hold down strap, but I believe I have enough velcro wire ties to just use those instead.

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I don't think you'll get an hour of run time with a 3800. I have a 5000 Duratrax seven cell flat pack I've run in my Slash and I may get 15 minutes out of it. A seven cell hump pack won't fit with the stock battery strap, but the seven cell flat pack fits in the Torment when you remove the foam block.



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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 2:56 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 3:02 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 3:05 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 4:28 PM   
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Trying to keep it budget friendly. Have a 20 off 50 coupon for tower.




That's a good coupon! I get one of those about once a year from Tower. You may want to check out Hobypartz. I've had good luck with their lipos, but they sell NIMH batteries also.

http://www.hobbypartz.com/nimhbatteries1.html






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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/24/2012 6:12 PM   
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So if I pickup, let say 3 DuraTrax Onyx NiMH 7C 8.4V 3000mAh Stick Standard Plug, he should be good for at least running an hour?
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yes, I'd say you should be fine for an hour of running. I'm still new to this hobby so maybe someone can chime in, but one area of concern would be the back to back running though. I've been told that a few minutes of break to let stuff cool off would be a good idea, and I know after our backyard running for 30 min the motors definitely feel hot to the touch. While I think the multiple batteries might be a hassle to manage and keep changing versus getting one with more mAH, what would be nice is that once you run one down and switch to another, the depleted one can be put on the charger immediately. In our case, as soon as we've killed the batteries, we're done for an hour or so.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/25/2012 12:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		  Yeah, I'm running a 7 cell 5000Mah racers edge battery.  Also running on smooth pavement up and down hills so gravity helps with my runtime also. 

Want to upgrade to lipo soon. Hobbyking has great prices on lipos, just make sure you shop the USA warehouse for faster ship times.  You can get a 2s 5000 to 6000 lipo for between 31.00 and 43.00 a battery.
 


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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/25/2012 3:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am running the velineon brushless system out of a slash, i am using dynimite 4000mah 2cell  and getting 45 minutes of race time ane with the 8.7 v nimh i get about 20-30,  with my original set up stock everything i ran 7.2 1300mah and got around 15-20 and with the 2cell i got 30-45, but with the stock set up to run lipo you have to add a low voltage cutoff monitor otherwise the stock esc will drain your lipo down beyond repair.   I use a max pro light/alarm. it is bright blue and i have a vent cut out in the rear of the torment and can see it in bright daylight. and also the alarm is loud enough i can hear it when the truck is far away say 200 feet.

the other day i just had the reckless abandon to dirve the torment to the max just full trigger and ramping off 5 foot jumps and just no care as to what happened.  and i crashed and crashed nose first, tail first  cart wheeled, flipped tumbled, slammed.  not sure what so possesed me do such a rough ride but after all was done and all my batteries depleted the torment was unphased, except for a driveshaft that at the universal joint popped out, i used my pliers and popped it back in and continued on driving. i walked away with a smile on my face because i had seen other models attempt the same bashing and there next trip was to the parts store. 

now with that being said. i have had the chance to drive and race against other models. only mods to my torment have been going brushless, and different tires. heck i havn't even checked to see if i have oil in my shocks. ( i should do that soon though  . I have been able to drive the stew outta my torment and hang if not win agianst the the other slashes,SC10, and other SCT's. but as i have talked and read it is the driver and not the car. I on the same day asked if i could drive another guys slash and i told him after driving it that he should be lapping me with how well this slash drives. it is a better truck, you pay more, and get more aftermarket support and it has almost unlimited adjustability, aslo i have seen this model fail under several circumstances where A-arms break and bearings are torn to shreds and frames snap.  I then was able to race next to an SC10 and hold my own. but just from watching how the truck handled. agian i felt if driven differently i would be lapped in no time. if i ever do upgrade it will be to an SC10, and talking to the guy he had only had one shock tower brace failure and that was due to hitting a street curb at just the wrong angle. it was a smooth running truck.


I am happy with my torment, having guys come over and say hey what is that, and then tell them its a 160 ish dollar ecx torment, I hear " no way"  and i always say yes way. and then comes the what are your settings and mods. and i say Stock. and again i here " no way ".   so it is in my opinion a very great little truck that can take a beating and dish out a race here and there.

This is the most informative forum i have found so far. being that this is a new truck on the market.   You guys keep on having fun and when the lipos get added, and some sticky tires watching the torment walk a wheelie is a thrill. !

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 4/25/2012 7:35 PM   
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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 5/3/2012 3:38 PM   
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Now I just need to get some better Batteries and a charger ordered.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 5/3/2012 3:52 PM   
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How would this truck be for a first Real RC if run stock? Looking for something that is going to take a beating and keep going for my Son, he's 6. Need something that can run on pavement, Grass, gravel and dirt.

THinking about a Torment, Rucks or maybe an Evader.

Attached is a drawing of the running envirenment.



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Torment over the evader any day! I know the newer version has some improvements, but I found the tranny not to be tough enough and if you ever have servo issues have fun fixing it. the servo is crammed.

I had the ruckus and it is very cool for a MT cause it has the same suspension and wheel base as the torment. its longer and more stable then a traxxas stampede, but has the same kinda ground clearance.

I recently built a track in my yard. I didnt have a very large area, so I did a oval with a figure 8 (1 large jump to cross over the 8)
This gave me 2 tracks in 1 space. I dont think there is any layout that can give you more out of a small space.

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RE: Official ECX Torment Thread - 5/3/2012 5:11 PM   
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But when you add brushless $70-$140, then new tires/wheels $30-70, you no longer have a $160 vehicle.  It is cool though that one can buy one and make it what you want it as you have the funds.  I hope ECX becomes popular enough that other companies including ECX offer upgrades for it.

ecx does have upgraded shocks offered.
I have the rear upgrades on mine. The alloy body is nice, and they are smoother than the stock plastic shocks. I was alittle surprised to see they still have a plastic cap. But then, I havent had the plastic caps on the stock shocks pop either.
And for $26 shipped they are still pretty decent.

I am waiting to see if ECX will do a motor upgrade kit. The 15 turn motor with 19t pinion kit they sell for the circuit/boost I dont think will work on the torment since the torment comes stock with a 19 or 20t pinion. You have to gear down to run a lower turn motor.

But I race a blitz and a slash on a short track and my torment is dead even with both those trucks.

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