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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/26/2011 5:28 PM   
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Because midairs cost a fortune. I want to see combat done with much more scale looking stuff in the .40 to .90 size range, aircraft too expensive to be smacking into each other. That, combined with the lasertag 'weapons' and FPV control, will make for MUCH more realistic and interesting dogfights from the non-RC'ers perspective. Anyone who appreciates air combat could watch and enjoy.




How much combat have you flown...?
How much time have you spent prepping 10 pound, 90 mph planes for laser tag...?
FPV wont eliminate midairs.
Do you know what the safe setback distance would be for planes of this size and speed...?


I suppose if I had $10,000 to devote to a fleet of .90 sized FPV combat planes and support equipment your idea would be a piece of cake.....


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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/26/2011 8:02 PM   
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Greetings from Finland

No, we are not smuck about price gasoline. But anyway high price gives good motivation to avoid waisting it.

On the other hand we have very good reason to be very smuck.

Still after over ten years of combat flying we have one good class 1:12 WW II combat. Rules are almost same as they originally were. There is some national variation about how rules are intepreted, but in Eurocup Ukranian fellow have same equipment as his competitor in UK. In 2011 Eurocup had 238 names and in 2010 there was 248 names.

Other class is 1:8 WW I combat, even that has about 70 active contestants


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We started the ASDA/RCCA with the same rules. I loved the WW2 Pursuit Combat. I met Holger Bothmer in Bremen back in 98 and checked out his squadron. It's a good program!
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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/26/2011 8:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scott,

Next year is the 10th anniversary of the Official AMA Combat Nats... might be good enough reason to show up in Muncie to relive the glory days.

To be totally retro, I would have to outfit a fleet of TufFlight Predators and scratch build some Mustangs from Check Six plans.

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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/26/2011 9:15 PM   
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Oh NOT that Lasertag crap again!

Wait, DeJaVu?



You got a better idea besides just smashing expensive hardware together and hoping it survives? It's too unsafe to use actual projectiles.




I will not again waste my time explaining the facts of life to ignorant, arrogant children again.  Rather you can read through this thread and any lasertag thread that we've been through on this board yourself.  If it still seems practical to you at that time then I'm afraid there is no hope for you.  Chaising streamers is safe and economical and a whole lot of fun. Your premis that it's the end of the world when two planes collide is founded in ignorance.  That only you and that other idjut who no longer posts in this thread but rather ran home to his SAFE bbs, is he arrogance.  There are many, including myself, here that are seasond combat pilots.  They will all assure you that throwing thousands of dollars into your vision of a combat plane will not grow the event as none of them are silly, YES SILLY enough to do such a thing.  

Sale any airplane you have and continue on in virtual reality with your SEGA.  The real world hurts when your imagination gets out of hand.



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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/26/2011 9:17 PM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/27/2011 4:35 PM   
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Why would you want to avoid midairs? They're BEAUTIFUL. Specially if the planes involved are made of beaded styrofoam. The snow will come down for minutes.





Because midairs cost a fortune. I want to see combat done with much more scale looking stuff in the .40 to .90 size range, aircraft too expensive to be smacking into each other. That, combined with the lasertag 'weapons' and FPV control, will make for MUCH more realistic and interesting dogfights from the non-RC'ers perspective. Anyone who appreciates air combat could watch and enjoy.
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@378 let's not bash someone for pointing out facts.



I have no respect for smug Europeans acting like they're better than us because they pay more for fuel. They get both barrels from me if they start that crap up.

Their fuel is not any more expensive than ours. They just like to pay more taxes. That is where the expense is.


Their fuel is more expensive. Simple math. We pay around $3 a gallon or so, give or take half a dollar. They pay between $6 and $8. Therefore, their fuel is more expensive. It doesn't matter how it gets more expensive, fact of the matter is, they have to spend more money to buy the same volume that we do.


Also, I doubt they like paying more in tax than they do on the fuel itself.




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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/27/2011 7:33 PM   
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Your a complete idiot.
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are obviously a mature adult.


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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/27/2011 9:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can we get back to the topic of discussion? It is quite evident that combat is not dead in the US, but it is on life support as evidenced by the small number of members in the AMA Sig.

We should be discussing ways to promote growth in this exciting subset of the hobby, not bashing each other over the cost of gas, taxes, etc.
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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/28/2011 12:30 AM   
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Can we get back to the topic of discussion? It is quite evident that combat is not dead in the US, but it is on life support as evidenced by the small number of members in the AMA Sig.

We should be discussing ways to promote growth in this exciting subset of the hobby, not bashing each other over the cost of gas, taxes, etc.
If you want to talk about that stuff, take it offline.

So how many members does the RCCA have now? It began to feel like the RCCA was chasing the perfect event. It seemed as though there got to be too many. It is tough to "tool" up for a bunch of different events. I think they need one good one and focus and promote it.

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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/28/2011 3:09 PM   
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It began to feel like the RCCA was chasing the perfect event. It seemed as though there got to be too many. It is tough to ''tool'' up for a bunch of different events. I think they need one good one and focus and promote it.
Once you have a multitude of events, it is hard to cut back. Until some of them die natural deaths.

As far as I know, WW2 scale combat is the only one with wide participation in Europe, and that surely simplifies things.

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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/28/2011 6:10 PM   
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So how many members does the RCCA have now?


There are currently 138 dues paying RCCA members.

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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/31/2011 1:10 AM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/31/2011 2:03 AM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/31/2011 3:24 AM   
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How many members are in MACA...?


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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/31/2011 6:01 PM   
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CL combat has been a dying sport ever since I got into it over 25 years ago.
How many members are in MACA...?

Not sure. CL combat is not only so obscure and hard to get info about, it is very hard to fly the planes well. It takes a lot of practice, and I always felt the piloting skill was one of the reasons CL combat is dying off. Ever fly a modern fast combat model with a Nelson .36! It is literally like having a tiger by the tail. That being said, it is the most fun I have ever had with model airplanes. That and pylon racing.

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RE: Is combat dead? - 12/31/2011 6:30 PM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/6/2012 3:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Answer is NO ! COMBAT IS NOT DEAD !

Tying streamers on model airplanes is the most Fun you can have with them...

Ask anyone Watching... They Love It ! ("And Exciting for Spectators" is part of the Rules, I know... )

"Challenging for Pilots" is a given, but, there has to be some fair ground as far as the airplane performance.

I, (We) are Sold on the Excellent RCCA Safety Rules. (Highly Recommended)

Pick a Class.

Stick with it.

They will Join in...

(I fly, CD, Maac Scale Combat WW2(modified 2610) and WW1, that will be Great by 2014 ! )

Go Local. Challenge the closest Clubs...

It is Irissistable ! ! ! (No matter what planes you decide to fly )

(I like the Jet, Scale Aerobatic, Scale, 3-D, Heli and CL/FF Pilots...who think they are able to get good at R/C Combat ! ! ! )

But, that is my Opinion... To be Proved ... Next Match ! ! !

Still looking for a First Place Finish !

Just like the rest of you...

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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/6/2012 3:55 AM   
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I can get our 'Brewery' sponsorship for a challenge at the "Bean Patch Match"...

It would be great to go...

I am undefeated at 1/2A C/L around here... (1978? )

I have not drunk Coffee for over 25+ yrs...

I'll get a Tim Horton sponsorship...

And try flying for the FAI Canadian Combat Team !

He He He

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P.S. Do not tell anyone I am left handled, got 'freaky long' arms, very sharp elbows, and have a degree in OctoberFest !
PHD in Polka !


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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/6/2012 4:20 AM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/6/2012 5:15 AM   
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I am even better at 'pitting' !

Lets do it !

They will never know what hit/cut them !



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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/6/2012 3:11 PM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/7/2012 1:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi aspeed,

I have PM'd you.

Goal is to enter 80mph CL Combat at the Bean Patch 2012...

Try hand flipping a McCoy Redhead .35/.19, if you want to practice 'pitting' skills...

I'll bet my 'Depth Perception' is better flying CL ! ! !


Now back to the Topic:

"Is Combat Dead?"...

(Only if you let it die... )

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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/7/2012 4:53 PM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/7/2012 6:10 PM   
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RE: Is combat dead? - 1/8/2012 11:31 AM   
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Thanks for the links.
I'll go to the Balsa Beavers meeting Jan 11th.

Yaro has all I will need.

And I WANT !... one of these eventually ! ! !
http://aerohobby.ca/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=16&products_id=77


I have a bunch of MagGP.25s and similar that I used for Maac Scale Combat until the OSFX and MagXLS came along.
They will work, and I can make venturies for them.

I'm thinking a 'bubbleless' unpressurized bladder tank made from a baby bottle liner... Easy to fill and 'burp' with a big syringe...

And Bisson 'Pitts' style mufflers that I have found impossible to break in R/C Combat lawn darts...

I'll ask if someone can bring a 80mph combat plane to the Balsa Beaver meeting. (no use me reinventing the wheel)

I'll bring a tape and notepad, and then see if I can come up with a very cheap and nasty version out of coro...

Woo Hoo ! I am getting 'stoked' already ! ! !

I think I'll wear my 'Unabashed Combat Team' helmet at the meeting...

To get the 'Psyco-logical' Warfare started early...

He He He...

Take care,
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P.S. I last flew CL a few years ago... and it was just like riding a bike... within a lap, I was comfortable, enjoying the flight...

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