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CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/3/2011 10:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Il start by apologising as I know that this has been covered around 4 - 5 years when the original model was released, but Ive recently bought a 2nd hand CARF Flash and if anyone is interested I plan to do a basic build thread of my progress over the winter, this will be my first build thread so please bare with me at times if things are some what lacking After having an incident early on this year which resulted in the loss of my first jet, I was looking for a strong airframe as I felt at times I may have pushed just a little to hard close to the 200mph mark. Many Thanks to Jeff from ZedJet for ensuring I was compensated for the loss of my model. I bought the airframe from a close friend who had owned it from new for around 4 years, after watching both him and his son put it through its paces for a year or so with a SimJet 160, when he finally decided to sell it, it was a big rush to sell my Boomerang XL and rush round with a pocket full of money As the original owner has replaced this model with an Ultra Flash, we decided it would be easier for him to keep his original Fuel Tank and Linkages to speed up his build so I will start the build when his new UF arrives.
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Wren SuperSport (18.5Lbs of Thrust)
Futaba FASST running a 6014HS Rx
Behotec C36/2 Retracts with AT Trailing Link Oleo' and Intairco Wheels and Brakes
Servo's will be a mixture of Hitec 5646MG and 7955TG (much to the disgust of the original owner
PowerBox Evolution linked with 2 x A123 Cells
JetTronics Brake Valve Setup

As the SuperSport puts out only 18.5Lbs of thrust, we had originally decided to keep the model very light and avoid an excess weight i.e Blingy Radio Tray / PowerBox etc. Now I have collected the airframe, I cant resist so it will be fitted the a Carbon Effect Radio Tray with the all the components inset onto a false Floor and Full Bypass setup, as the SuperSport has relatively low Fuel Consumption, I have chosen not to use the secondary wing tank. We have saved a small amount of weight by outing both this tank and the Cockpit (typical Sport Jet Tinted Canopy instead). I will posted some pictures tomorrow of the progress so far.

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/3/2011 10:48 PM   
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..........I was looking for a strong airframe as I felt at times I may have pushed just a little to hard close to the 200mph mark.



no problem with the Flash pushed to 200mph, she'll handle anything you can toss at her (with the exception of mother earth).

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 3:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi. I m interested in the build thread. Thanks in advance for sharing

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 10:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		You mean it's not done yet, i was looking forward to some flash formation after Christmas

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 11:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		No problem at all Mun Iz, Il be starting properly after finishing my Trex 450, today hopefully.

Carl.......Dont worry my old fruit, therel be plenty of Flash formation next year Itl be ready for Feburary or so

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 1:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmmm.....Carl will have to slow way down for that formation flying, can't help but think you'll be wanting more power

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 1:07 PM   
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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 1:30 PM   
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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 3:50 PM   
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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 4:12 PM   
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8999539/mpage_5/key_/tm.htm


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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 4:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jame

I hope you will ignore all the guys who put 160s in a model that is known to fly on a Rabbit or M90 perfectly happily. I have a Merlin 100 in my UF and it goes quite fast enough and after 13.5 minute engine run still had a litre of fuel on board! Bet they can't do that!

My question is how much of your specification is already bought/salvaged from other models? If you are aiming to keep things light, I would question your use of 4000ma NiMh receiver cells. I use 2 x 2100 Life and the same receiver. At 109 grams each but with 20C current capability you should achieve equal reliability. The Hitecs should handle 6.6volts (max charge voltage) without the need of a Powerbox and all the extra wiring involved.

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 6:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jamie,
Dont use Nimh receiver batteries.Throw them away.They are old hat,too big too heavey,old tech,self discharge,rubbish.

The only NiMh variant worth considering are Sanyo eneloop (hybrid construction) and then only in your transmitter if you use JR DSX9/12.

Use 2 x A123 2300 mah LiFe 2 cell packs. Brilliant batteries and will fit niceley in one of the nose pockets in your Flash.

In the other nose pocket use a 2 cell 5000 mah 30c hard case (model car spec.) Lipo for your turbine ECU.

You might need a few ouces of lead in the nose to Balance depending on your turbine weight.

Also you dont need a power box evo on a Flash use a PB sensor switch more than enough smaller cheaper and lighter.

Most of the Guys in our club who have FLashes(over 6) both Classic and Ultra use the PB sensor switch.

18.5 lbs of thrust will fly the Flash but if you fly off a grass strip your take off run might be quite long as the CF takes a time to unstick.

Great model you will love it and tough as old boots.

The most popular sports jet ever.

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 6:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately the little Trex 450 took up more time than I ever thought a tiny helicopter could do so work on the Flash hasnt commenced today, but here are a few pictures of the work we have done so far.....all 10 Minutes of it

Picture 1 shows the model after the Canopy had been tinted, in my opinion, I thought this was a little too much dark colour around that area and almost ordered a new canopy glass the same night, now Im thinking a small silver pinstripe around the outer edge to break up some of the bold colour. Come on Rob n Carlos....helps us out, Im unsure

Picture 2 shows the Graupner Carbon Plastic (available from Motors and Rotors) - this was my Dads purhcase after agreeing to have a ride to Motors and Rotors (240 Miles round trip) to pick up my Boomerang XL a few months ago, really easy to cut, literally score with a Scalpel a couple of times and break, we started with a Profile Gauge to determine the intake shape internally but found this less accurate that using a centre line and measuring at 1 inch intervals with lolly stick of all things .......very professional as ever

Thanks RCISFUN, I will definately look into that.

Henry - After the crash of my other model, I have kept only the items that I would trust a 2nd time - Wren SuperSport every other item has been replaced for this model. If im being honest, even though I know the SS will provide enough push for a fast aerobatic routine, after watching Carls with the Merlin 160, the only reason this hasnt been fitted with one is because of the Wallet Strings have currently been pulled for an engagement ring It may seem childish but I do love a good fast Jet, for now Il blame that on the fact that Im only a mere 20 Years old

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 6:20 PM   
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Unfortunately the little Trex 450 took up more time than I ever thought a tiny helicopter could do so work on the Flash hasnt commenced today, but here are a few pictures of the work we have done so far.....all 10 Minutes of it

Picture 1 shows the model after the Canopy had been tinted, in my opinion, I thought this was a little too much dark colour around that area and almost ordered a new canopy glass the same night, now Im thinking a small silver pinstripe around the outer edge to break up some of the bold colour. Come on Rob n Carlos....helps us out, Im unsure

Picture 2 shows the Graupner Carbon Plastic (available from Motors and Rotors) - this was my Dads purhcase after agreeing to have a ride to Motors and Rotors (240 Miles round trip) to pick up my Boomerang XL a few months ago, really easy to cut, literally score with a Scalpel a couple of times and break, we started with a Profile Gauge to determine the intake shape internally but found this less accurate that using a centre line and measuring at 1 inch intervals with lolly stick of all things .......very professional as ever The PowerBox will be inset through the Carbon Board onto a false floor, two Battery status lights will also be fitted either side of the PowerBox so the main amount of the wiring will be beneath the board.

Thanks RCISFUN, I will definately look into that.

Henry - After the crash of my other model, I have kept only the items that I would trust a 2nd time - Wren SuperSport every other item has been replaced for this model. If im being honest, even though I know the SS will provide enough push for a fast aerobatic routine, after watching Carls with the Merlin 160, the only reason this hasnt been fitted with one is because of the Wallet Strings have currently been pulled for an engagement ring It may seem childish but I do love a good fast Jet, for now Il blame that on the fact that Im only a mere 20 Years old



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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 6:55 PM   
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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 7:00 PM   
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I would fly it with the SS first, I think you will be happy with it for a while and you can get used to flying it.

Then sell me the SS and get a larger engine in there, jeff is doing some nice engines that are very reasonably priced

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 7:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I plan to, I just cant afford a bigger turbine at the minute, Im sure Il love it at the standard cruise speed and not the warp speed yours moves at Now that can be arranged if you need it, what have you got your eye on now?? Yeah the ATJ range, Paul is running a 170 in his L39, and Ive seen a 140 in a FlyEagle Hawk aswell, both seemed really quite good, have you decided on the engine for your 29 yet??

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 7:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I want the SS for a JL f16 that I have had for over a year and not finished.

My Mig is getting the merlin 160, having said that, I may leave that in the flash and get another engine for the mig, may go for an AJT 170 but if the price is fairly close to a merlin I will get another merlin, as mine has been flawless

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 8:15 PM   
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You might need a few ouces of lead in the nose to Balance depending on your turbine weight.


no point in replacing heavy, but cheap batteries with lighter and more expensive ones only to add lead to make up the difference......

However, The UAT will fit over the front of the nose wheel framing... that moves about 6 or 8 ounces of dead weight about a foot and half forward.... thus saving your hard earned money by avoid purchasing useless lead

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 8:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't see it needing any nose weight with a SS, I have no lead in mine, just got the lipos pushed fully forward in the pockets, thats with a merlin 160 which is quite heavy

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/4/2011 9:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		My point was to not use NiMh batteries in jets full stop.

NiMh were a stop gap design when Nicad production was to be banned.

They no longer come into the equation and are of no use to us any more.We have lipo,Lion,Life,A123 we dont need NiMh.

The price of a 2 cell A123 2300MAH pack is under £30.00 so I dont see the problem on a £5000.00 jet.

I would rather put a few ounces of lead in the nose and use far better batteries.

Sorry I dont like the ATU up front. Too long fuel lines.

The standard radio layout as shown in the Flash instructions is simple and works just fine.

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/5/2011 3:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do see where your coming from Phil, but I have never had an issue with Nimh packs, they have always provided adequate power in the models we have built, I think its just a matter of opinion, these batteries were used in a Jet Legend Hawk for 1 flight before this project, that was a model that needed the nose weight, so I chose to use Nimh packs, I have no experience of LiFe packs but didnt want to constantly remove LiPo cells to charge. Its not down to money, literally just down to what Ive had good experience with before, the packs are not dated (less than 3 months old) so hopefully I wont have a problem.

Love the neat install Wayne, I dont think Il have a problem with Nose Weight, hopefully I can just push the packs slightly further back in the pockets to avoid adding any excess ballast.

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/6/2011 1:39 AM   
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....you missed the smilies at the end of my sentence... I wouldn't use MiMh either....

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/9/2011 2:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to let everyone know, work hasnt stopped on the Flash, my apologies for not updating for a few days, the little Trex 450 I was building decided it was going to tilt on the Skids while I was checking the Tracking on the driveway, so Ive been spending my time redoing the Head and Swash setup, now thats finally finished, I can carry on with the build this weekend. Ive chosen to start with the Internal Installation, I have also considered installing the GSU in the model due to the turbine not being on show when starting, this has only been a consideration so far, still unsure. I will post some pictures when I get further on with the build if anyone is still interested

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RE: CARF Flash Winter Project - 12/9/2011 3:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Jamie,

Can't really see the point in putting the GSU in the model, just extra weight and you can just plug it in for starting.

I want to see some pictures, just want to make sure it's not to neat and shames me into re-doing my install

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