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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/25/2003 10:49:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well the guys at my flying field have told me that i have gone to the dark side.Meaning i converted a perfectly fine electric GWS Zero into a nitro burning bullet with a .074 Norvel.I thought it was because i shared a table with the heli guys, anyways i dont post very often but i felt i better share my story just in case you have a GWS war bird laying around that could be put to good use nitro powered!I started flying the first time two months ago.Started with a GWS Cub, flew that for a month then took a very big step into an alieron plane and flew a Zero up untill present.I got a little tired of the battery thing mainly because of the performance.I did not want to up grade in electric because of the high cost, besides that i missed the smell of nitro(i run rc boats ) So i went out to my local hobby store and bought the biggest Norvel i could stuff under the cowl.With a little planning and a bit of kit bashing experience i managed to get the.074 in there with a one once tank behind it.The whole time i was doing this i really had my doughts that this was going to work,Wrong !the first flight i had this thing flew fantastic, very fast and quite stable.Our site is quite windy but the Zero cut through and flew very solid, did i mention that it was fast.You could Pylon race with this thing.Any how i did not want to push things to far untill i made some inprovements, i added a balsa spar in the wing and the horizontal stab.Changed the wing inciedence slightly to stop it from balloning, and there you have it one mean Zero.I highly recommend the conversion, i cant remember the last time i had this much fun.Well Goldguy you were right "Fly small have a ball".Chris.

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/25/2003 12:03:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		PICTURES...I think it would be great to put a BigMig .061 into a GWS warbird. You can find tattered ones(gws warbirds) on RCGROUPS all the time. -Patrick

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/25/2003 3:27:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a GWS ME 109 that has never flown.Im going to put a .061 in this bird, i will let you know how it works out.The reason i put a larger engine in the Zero was for weight.I flew this plane with an 8 cell 1000 ml ah pac.That battery pack has the weight of two or three 074's.The Zero has a very short nose, i thought i was going to need more weight up front.It turns out that it would have ballanced out fine with a 061.IF you do this coversion to the Zero do not, i repeat do not follow the instructions when ballancing.The ballance point acorrding to my calculations is 1 3/4 from the leading edge.If you follow their measurments you will be tail heavy.I just bought a digital camera, when i find some one that can show me how to post pictures i will put some up on the Zero.When i convert the ME 109 i will take a series of photos on the construction.Should be another good flyer.Chris.

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/25/2003 8:58:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Posting a picture is quite simple. Just take your picture, and save it as a JPG or BMP. I usually save as a JPG, because of the smaller size of the file. I dont know what photo software you have, so I can't talk you through the steps of getting your pictures from your camera, to the software.

Then, come to RCUniverse, and write you message. When you want to add a picture, you click the BROWSE button in the attach file section, just below the Options section. Then, you just navigate to find where you saved the picture. Once you find the picture, click on the picture, and then on OPEN. The filepath of the pictures should now be in the little box next to the BROWSE button. From there, just click Submit Reply, and your all done. Beware, that if your picture is to large, it wont let you post it. Hope that wasnt too confusing. -Patrick

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/26/2003 1:45:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also, another hint. If you click the "preview post" button, the picture will NOT load. Dunno why, it just is......

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/26/2003 6:22:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too have thought about converting a GWS fighter to glo and would like to know if you did any thing to " fuel proof " the plane as the nitro in the fuel residue will eat into the foam over a period of time

What did you use for paint?

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/26/2003 12:45:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did a test with some foam samples.I put the foam in a 25% nitro mix and let them soak for 24 hrs.It did nothing to the foam.Now gasoline is another story but we dont have to worry about that.I have a dozen flights and the paint is still there.If you are carefull not to spill raw fuel on the paint every thing thing should be okay.Exhaust residue has had no effect on the paint.The paint i use for touch up is a water based arcrylic craft paint that your hobby shop will carry.These paints can be mixed together to get any colour you want.They brush on well and you can fade them with a brush to give an air brush look.These paints are also very light.The brand i have been using is called Americana by DecoArt, Its cheap also.Hope this helps.Chris.I just wanted to mention when putting an engine in these planes, just make a simple hard wood beam mount and epoxy it in the foam. Very simple and strong.If you run into any problems give me a shout.I should have some pics posted soon.

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/26/2003 12:48:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chris: Sorry I missed your metamorphosis! I see by your comment that my credo has stood the test, "fly SMALL, have a BALL"! I alway get a chuckle when some say that 1/2A is too small and then they fly their mega models 10 mistakes hight, so they appear as a speck in the sky. You'll never will see me tramping through the forest 2 miles alway looking for a lost model. When I prang them, it's only a few steps to pick up the pieces and I don't need a big garbage bag. 1/2A saves money on Glad bags too................Frank Lin Woo Chang

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/26/2003 1:10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey what are you doing up so late! Mr Lin.Way to go Frank I think you will enjoy this new endeavorer.I guess i will see all the new up and coming by GWS.You know I'm going to take them of your hands and convert them to glo.Wait till you see this Zero go its impressive.Maybe see ya this weekend, if your coming to Port some time soon give me a call we will have a chat.Till then Chris.

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/27/2003 10:36:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have an old ragged GWS e-starter and a Mustang. I am in the middle of putting an 061 on the e-starter. If that goes good, Ill do the Mustang next. If the 074 makes the Zero a bullet the 061 should be good on the Mustang?

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/28/2003 12:11:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		The .061 will be a perfect match for the Mustang.Looking good on the E-Starter.Your going to have a blast flying these two.Chris.

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/28/2003 12:34:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya might want ta slap a coat of polyurthane all over dat Moosetang befor ya get fuel all over that there paint on it.......

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/28/2003 5:00:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		?Loading how can you have a ragged old e-starter, there still new, I just got mine and it was backoredered for 3 weeks...but once I wear out the motor, I was thinking ahead about a glow conversion I have either the .074 (too much I think for this model) or an .049 rc engine (probably this one) that I could do..but I still need to practice on it while its electric to get the feel of it..Rog

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/28/2003 6:48:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I got inspired and finished the e-starter. The first 2 flights went well. I flew this a lot as electric. Its not a whole lot different. The Norvels give about the same climb performance with a bit more speed. My Norvel is well broken in and I am using an APC 6x2 prop. This comparision is to a fresh battery pack. Of course, the Norvel goes strong till the fuel is gone, but I packed a 2oz tank in there. I haven't timed it yet, but I bet I can go 15 mintues without a lot of throttle management.

Ya, I read somewhere that the fuel will not hurt the foam, but it will sure strip the paint off. Will ploy-u add much weight? My mustant has been in alot of crashes and is starting to weigh a lot from all the fixing.

flyinrog, they are not that new, I have had mine for about 3 months now. I got one when they first came out. I have cracked the tail off about 4 or 5 time now and ripped the wing of twice. My last accident, the battery connections shorted out and the plane landed it self from about 50 ft. It didn't do a very good job. This plane does almost fly itself when you have control. Loops are great. I have my throws turned way up now, this plane will turn around on a dime.

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GWS Zero,Norvel .074 - 8/29/2003 1:11:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting comments on performance, ESP300C compared to the Norvel .061. I have not converted any glow to electric, but have built 1/2A sized models specifically for "E" power using Speed 300 sized motors and have found the performance similiar, except for the Acro 280 BB which is better!! But wait............... I was at an "E" meet this summer where there were over 200 electric models and the 1/2A sized modeles with the new bruchless and out-runner motors, well it was like replacing a .061 with a .074!!!! Not only did they provide more power, but could fly twice as long.
Makes one wonder what future modeling will LOOK like in a few years............. not sound like or smell like.

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