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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 7:22 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 8:37 PM   
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I think I know who you, you refused to use a buddybox. You had no control of the model, I saw you try to qualify 3 times in order to qualify for a solo certoficate, each time you did not qualify, amd Isaw you crash twice. For the record, it is not an instructor issue, but that of the pilot.



not me never flown at a club
I thought it was wrong when my Wisconsin club instituted a 1 year probation period. After reading your posts I realize why they did it.
Some people are much better off as LONNERS.  Good Luck to U anyway, and I really mean that.



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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 9:00 PM   
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Don't completely write off a trainer as incompetent just because they don't teach the rudder. These guys are doing it for the love of the hobby and are doing it for free. Learn what you can from each of them and let the occasional bit of bad advice or bad interpersonal skills be like water off a duck's back.

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 9:32 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:06 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:15 PM   
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I think I know who you, you refused to use a buddybox. You had no control of the model, I saw you try to qualify 3 times in order to qualify for a solo certoficate, each time you did not qualify, amd Isaw you crash twice. For the record, it is not an instructor issue, but that of the pilot.



not me never flown at a club
I thought it was wrong when my Wisconsin club instituted a 1 year probation period. After reading your posts I realize why they did it.
Some people are much better off as LONNERS.  Good Luck to U anyway, and I really mean that.



which of my posts in particular by number would not allow me to part of your club ?

this is what clubs are about ?


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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:23 PM  1 votes
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I think I know who you, you refused to use a buddybox. You had no control of the model, I saw you try to qualify 3 times in order to qualify for a solo certoficate, each time you did not qualify, amd Isaw you crash twice. For the record, it is not an instructor issue, but that of the pilot.


Wow, every story have two sides, we've reading this guy complaining about the instructor and it was all the way around.
I love to go to both clubs I belong to. Besides good place to fly without obstructions, there are your good friends to talk to, share stories and even share tools. I would not trade my clubs here in central fla for 1000 parks



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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:27 PM   
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I think I know who you, you refused to use a buddybox. You had no control of the model, I saw you try to qualify 3 times in order to qualify for a solo certoficate, each time you did not qualify, amd Isaw you crash twice. For the record, it is not an instructor issue, but that of the pilot.


Wow, every story have two sides, we've reading this guy complaining about the instructor and it was all the way around.
I love to go to both clubs I belong to. Besides good place to fly without obstructions, there are your good friends to talk to, share stories and even share tools. I would not trade my clubs here in central fla for 1000 parks




you see there is no complaint about the instructor or field and in several posts clarification by myself of that

it is about the rudder

is this the kind of spin you use on the ones you dont like in your club ?

these are men in these clubs ....a good many military no ?

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:29 PM   
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but in the end .. it is th OP's choice.....

etheir way good luck...

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:35 PM   
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starting to feel this was a troll post.. got us all good... trying to help.. reaching out to a new flyer and trying to make a positive experiance ...

but in the end .. it is th OP's choice.....

etheir way good luck...



I should not have to be member of a private club to use a public facility over public lands

all three in the bay area are over public lands 

maybe we need to work on that

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:40 PM   
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That was my impression from the very first post. That is why I said there are two sides to every story and we didn't have the instructors side of it. But, a lot of people were sure quick to "dog" the instructor.




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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:45 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 10:51 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 11:05 PM   
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Hey Yearningtofly, not everything is lost. You still can belong to a club whether it is in public or private property.
All you have to do is follow the rules, stay on the box until the instructor certifies you.



my point is if i meet certification and posses the requiste ama insurance

why should i have to be a member of a private club to fly over public lands and facility

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 11:15 PM   
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starting to feel this was a troll post.. got us all good... trying to help.. reaching out to a new flyer and trying to make a positive experiance ...

but in the end .. it is th OP's choice.....

etheir way good luck...



I should not have to be member of a private club to use a public facility over public lands

all three in the bay area are over public lands 

maybe weneed to work on that


if they have agreements with the local govt to use the public land in this manner you do. This is done to insure the publics safety, not to insure your rights to fly there( when you don't care to follow the rules)

watch for squirrels in the park....troll...

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 11:22 PM  1 votes
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Status: offline 		Started out as a rudder issue and developed into an instructor issue, by OP choice or not. Then it was off to a club or no club debate and now it appears to be a land issue.

So which is it that really chaps your rear.........or is it anything at all and you're just enjoying this game of yours?

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/8/2012 11:39 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 12:19 AM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 2:25 AM   
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starting to feel this was a troll post.. got us all good... trying to help.. reaching out to a new flyer and trying to make a positive experiance ...

but in the end .. it is th OP's choice.....

etheir way good luck...



That damn Tampaflyer trying to be nice he hasn't learned yet ....

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 2:50 AM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 4:35 AM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 4:47 AM   
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Combatpigg: It's silly to draw comparisons between this stuff and full scale flight.  

Not at all, both relate to each other. I've been flying RC since '68 (that plane had no ailerons, so rudder was mandatory!), and full-scale instructor since '80 with over 15K hours. Like Hossfly and others have pointed out, those who use rudder minimally are drivers, not pilots.

The reason rudder use is minimal in many modern aircraft (full-size and models) is because many of the bad habits have been engineered out. There is less adverse yaw because the ailerons have higher aspect ratio (narrower chord), and differential is sometimes built in. Look at a 172 vs. a Cub as an example: The 172, being a newer design, has long, thin ailerons with some built-in differential, and produces less adverse yaw. The older Cub has wide, 'barn-door' ailerons with little differential and lots of adverse yaw which needs lots of rudder to coordinate the turn. The 172 still needs rudder to coordinate the turn, just less of it.

We have a chap in our club who has a 1/4-scale Cub. He's had several near-crashes on takeoff, once wound up in the pits narrowly missing two planes, because he's not proficient on rudder. Rudder use is important !

I don't believe you're a troll, but I would encourage you to join a club. It's not wise to fly alone unless it's a Vapor or other tiny aircraft, and the camaraderie is really great. My best buddies are RCers! 


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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 7:11 AM   
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I would encourage you to join a club. It's not wise to fly alone unless it's a Vapor or other tiny aircraft, and the camaraderie is really great. My best buddies are RCers!


Well put. I've been in a club for nearly 4 years now. I have a really good time whenever I go to the club, often times a really great time. To get the most of out a club, don't go there as a know-it-all. Be sociable, flexible and positive. You'll get out of it exactly what you put into it.

I've visited many clubs in my area and the vibe of some clubs is different to others. Some are quite officious and love their rules. Others are full of cowboys and some dangerous stuff goes on. I prefer somewhere in the middle but even if either of the extremes was my only choice, I'd still go to a club. The camaraderie is second to none and I always learn things from others, even from the newbies.

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 7:28 AM   
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Combatpigg: It's silly to draw comparisons between this stuff and full scale flight.  

Not at all, both relate to each other. I've been flying RC since '68 (that plane had no ailerons, so rudder was mandatory!), and full-scale instructor since '80 with over 15K hours. Like Hossfly and others have pointed out, those who use rudder minimally are drivers, not pilots.

The reason rudder use is minimal in many modern aircraft (full-size and models) is because many of the bad habits have been engineered out. There is less adverse yaw because the ailerons have higher aspect ratio (narrower chord), and differential is sometimes built in. Look at a 172 vs. a Cub as an example: The 172, being a newer design, has long, thin ailerons with some built-in differential, and produces less adverse yaw. The older Cub has wide, 'barn-door' ailerons with little differential and lots of adverse yaw which needs lots of rudder to coordinate the turn. The 172 still needs rudder to coordinate the turn, just less of it.

We have a chap in our club who has a 1/4-scale Cub. He's had several near-crashes on takeoff, once wound up in the pits narrowly missing two planes, because he's not proficient on rudder. Rudder use is important !

I don't believe you're a troll, but I would encourage you to join a club. It's not wise to fly alone unless it's a Vapor or other tiny aircraft, and the camaraderie is really great. My best buddies are RCers! 



The vast majority of RC planes that I've flown and what I've seen others fly don't need rudder to perform nice, tidy turns. My main point is that there is always plenty of time to learn the rudder as a beginning pilot after you've mastered the basics of flight. In the case of a newbie pilot who has not demonstrated basic control mastery, I'd tell him /her to forget about the entire left side of the TX and just do some big laps around the field with the right stick only.
We'll worry about the left stick later.



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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 10:19 AM   
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i fly a 4 channel t-28 in the park.....I purposefully stayed out of 3 channel as learned from the getgo with rudder on the sim

i tighten my turns with judicious rudder...maybe  im doing it wrong

never been up with him was directed to him from the field

in our conversation i mentioned coordinated flight, shallow bank angles and rudder usage

and that is when he advised me about not using or even touching the rudder with him 

i wanted to join at this field due to the bisecting runways

but might look into the other club in tampa




Well I initially thought he was off the mark but now that you describe your shallow banks and and tightening turns with judicious rudder...it appears you do need to relearn a bit and he was probably not far off.  The rudder is there only to make coordinated turns.  Ailerons and bank are what turn the aircraft and you tighten turns with bank/aileron. not rudder.



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