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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 1:58 PM   
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Well I initially thought he was off the mark but now that you describe your shallow banks and and tightening turns with judicious rudder...it appears you do need to relearn a bit and he was probably not far off.  The rudder is there only to make coordinated turns.  Ailerons and bank are what turn the aircraft and you tighten turns with bank/aileron. not rudder.




Rudder is also used to counter the P-factor on takeoff and crosswind takeoffs and landings. More than anything, I wish more people would learn to use the rudder to counteract the P-Factor on takeout and quit scaring the crap out of me.  I have seen so many times the pilot give the plane full throttle on takeoff, plane shoots off to the left, off the runway, with no elevator (tail dragger to keep the tail down) to allow good positive steering until takeoff speed is reached.  Luckily so far, when they did crash, it was into the fence and bushes.  I think I am going to start offering training on this subject the next time it happens.  In addition, I am going to include in this training to throttle back to idle when you see you are in trouble instead of crashing full speed into the fence and bushes to limit airframe damage.

Oops.  I know you did not mean ONLY, it just made me think of this subject.  Got me on my soapbox for a second.  Sorry.





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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 2:37 PM   
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Hey Yearningtofly, not everything is lost. You still can belong to a club whether it is in public or private property.
All you have to do is follow the rules, stay on the box until the instructor certifies you.



my point is if i meet certification and posses the requiste ama insurance

why should i have to be a member of a private club to fly over public lands and facility

Hmmm, Well could be a good question. Will only say that I learn just as much at the club field when I'm not flying as I do when I'm flying. Looking at other members planes, how the planes are set up, watching how the other planes fly, land, takeoff etc... Watching the flight characteristics of their planes. Keeps me ahhead of the learning curve I think. If I'm putting together a kit, ARF, parkflyer, or whatever, I can call anyone of them for advice and they help me through just about any situation I need help with. IMHO, they are just good people.

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 3:09 PM   
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Hey Yearningtofly, not everything is lost. You still can belong to a club whether it is in public or private property.
All you have to do is follow the rules, stay on the box until the instructor certifies you.



my point is if i meet certification and posses the requiste ama insurance

why should i have to be a member of a private club to fly over public lands and facility


Is this thread really a DUES thing? If so, I can kind of understand your position.  We don't pay dues at our club, so I cannot even relate if this is the issue.  If dues were expensive, I would probably feel the same way.  Sometimes dues can be used as a tool to limit who can join a club (the undersirables), which I would not agree with.  Dues can also be used to pay the necessary expenses that clubs have which I would agree with.  I was told that our club used to have dues with all the official crap and procedures that goes along with a club.  When the members finally got into a huge fight, they split into to two clubs, and that all changed.  Now neither club charges dues and do not have officers.  There are still safety rules, that should never change.  I participate and enjoy both clubs.  Even the AMA membership is recommended but not required.  I guess we could be considered an outlaw field.  Anybody can show up and fly or just visit.  Personally, I hope that never changes.



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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 3:16 PM   
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Is this thread really a DUES thing? If so, I can kind of understand your position.  We don't pay dues at our club, so I cannot even relate if this is the issue.  If dues were expensive, I would probably feel the same way.  Sometimes dues can be used as a tool to limit who can join a club (the undersirables), which I would not agree with.  Dues can also be used to pay the necessary expenses that clubs have which I would agree with.  I was told that our club used to have dues with all the official crap and procedures that goes along with a club.  When the members finally got into a huge fight, they split into to two clubs, and that all changed.  Now neither club charges dues and do not have officers.  There are still safety rules, that should never change.  I participate and enjoy both clubs.  Even the AMA membership is recommended but not required.  I guess we could be considered an outlaw field.  Anybody can show up and fly or just visit.  Personally, I hope that never changes.
If there are NO DUES who pays for the grass cutting field maintance and most important the Port-A-John? Just wondering. Last year it cost us $52,000 to put an inch and half of asphault on top of our 100' x 750' runway. With out dues and 6 for profit fling events per year we'd be flying off the desert dirt.


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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 3:31 PM   
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Is this thread really a DUES thing? If so, I can kind of understand your position.  We don't pay dues at our club, so I cannot even relate if this is the issue.  If dues were expensive, I would probably feel the same way.  Sometimes dues can be used as a tool to limit who can join a club (the undersirables), which I would not agree with.  Dues can also be used to pay the necessary expenses that clubs have which I would agree with.  I was told that our club used to have dues with all the official crap and procedures that goes along with a club.  When the members finally got into a huge fight, they split into to two clubs, and that all changed.  Now neither club charges dues and do not have officers.  There are still safety rules, that should never change.  I participate and enjoy both clubs.  Even the AMA membership is recommended but not required.  I guess we could be considered an outlaw field.  Anybody can show up and fly or just visit.  Personally, I hope that never changes.
If there are NO DUES who pays for the grass cutting field maintance and most important the Port-A-John? Just wondering. Last year it cost us $52,000 to put an inch and half of asphault on top of our 100' x 750' runway. With out dues and 6 for profit fling events per year we'd be flying off the desert dirt.



At one of the airfields, me and another guy cuts the grass as volunteers.  We do not have a porta jon, wish we did, but with no dues that ain't happening (Field is in remote location, so bushes are fine).  Our runway is about 600 ft of asphault and grass on loan of a larger private runway.  We just get out of the way when he takes off and lands.  He lets us know with a fly over.  The other airfield is privately owned also.  This guy has one of the most amazing fields that he also flies his ultralight from.

Listen, I understand the dues thing.  Clubs have expenses and must be paid by the members.  As I said, totally in agreement with that.  When I said I understand, he may not can afford the dues which gives him no place to fly in a club.  This may frustrate him, because as he mentions it is on public land that the taxpayers pay for, including him.  Not realizing there are club expenses that are required just to keep it a decent flying field.  

Oh, and your 100' x 750' runway, VERY NICE.  Our asphault is only 10' by 600' (the part loaned to us)  it is at the end of about 1/2 mile runway.  It also has nice bermuda grass, cactus and thorns on both sides.  You get what you pay for, huh?  LOL





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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 3:58 PM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 4:11 PM   
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Ohhhhh, that should be awesome, a club w asphalt runway and no fees.


Oh it is! Afternoon field with a HUGE flying area over a wheatfield.  It is the largest area I have flown in.  I flew on HOTMAC's, in Waco,tx, last Summer and felt really cramped for space.  Got used to our large open field.  Of course, HOTMAC had A LOT better facilities including shade and porta pottys.  

But personally, if it did not have asphault it would not bother me.  I can take off and land all the planes I own from grass (well, except for my P-51 with retracts).  And that is from my little electrics to my 28% Extra 260.  I kinda prefer the grass.  Easier on the equipment when you mess up.  Also slows the big extra down quicker.  You just need to check for holes occasionally.  I was taxing my Extra slowly in the grass back to the pits when one side of the gear fell into a hole so big, the left wing hit the ground.  You know that was a big hole for that size plane to bottom out.  Glad I didn't hit it when I landed!!  Darn animals.



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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/9/2012 9:36 PM   
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Rudder is also used to counter the P-factor on takeoff and crosswind takeoffs and landings. More than anything, I wish more people would learn to use the rudder to counteract the P-Factor on takeout and quit scaring the crap out of me.  I have seen so many times the pilot give the plane full throttle on takeoff, plane shoots off to the left, off the runway, with no elevator (tail dragger to keep the tail down) to allow good positive steering until takeoff speed is reached.  Luckily so far, when they did crash, it was into the fence and bushes.  I think I am going to start offering training on this subject the next time it happens.  In addition, I am going to include in this training to throttle back to idle when you see you are in trouble instead of crashing full speed into the fence and bushes to limit airframe damage.

Oops.  I know you did not mean ONLY, it just made me think of this subject.  Got me on my soapbox for a second.  Sorry.




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In one of the clubs I belong to there was an accident recently due to this, the pilot never applied rt rudder, the plane verged to the left big time and hitted another pilot that was flying peacefully. Common sence, either give rudder or kill the throthle and try again

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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/10/2012 12:14 AM   
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RE: Gas RC was a mistake !!!! - 1/10/2012 12:59 AM   
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