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Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/9/2012 8:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have mine all done except for a motor. I have an old Quadra 100 but it's not a real powerhouse, the model is nice enough to deserve a new motor. If I spend for a new one, i want something that won't stick out the cowl. The only thing I can think of is a ZDZ inline twin? Ideas, guys?
The plane went together great, no problems. I glued the stabs on, I did not trust Allen bolts against the stab spar to hold the stabs on, tho you could drill and tap the spar if you wanted, but I worried it would weaken the spar tube. Since I would nit remove the stabs for transport anyway, i just epoxied them on. Then you don't see the bolts on the bottom either.
The retracts seem up for the job, no leaks except the fill valve, which was missing the flapper inside entirely. They have promised to send me another, but I put on a BVM fill valve anyway, so I don't have to change the valve on my pump.
The wheels look good quality but they are only 4.75" and looked too small, I put on 6" Glennis ones from an old plane. With the weight of those wheels, you need at least 130psi to lift them and lock them up. I ordered a second tank from Tower, because with the one stock tank, I only get two retract cycles before there isn't enough pressure to bring them up. With the stock tires, you get more than five, but my wheels are heavier.
The canopy shape is a little slanted down at the back. I have a Mick Reeves canopy that looks better but will need mods to fit. I have a second canopy on order from Easytiger, I think if I cut it differently, not along the lines, I van fix the sloping in the back. Too late for the canopy I got with the kit. I have not glued it down yet.
Very happy so far, strong and light, very easy to assemble.
But now rethinking what I will do for an engine.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/9/2012 10:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		It sounds like you want to stay with gas, but the Moki inline twin has a low profile front view, and LOTS of power. I'm sure Brisson makes a muffler that would hide behind (or below) the engine.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/9/2012 10:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		If a person could stuff a twin into that cowling it would be problem solved, but like you said, an inline 100cc+ multi-cylinder type engine (non-electric) is about all that fits in the Spit's narrow cowling arrangement. The plane is actually rather nice looking and probably flys like a dream (properly powered), but the engine situation is what kept me (and probably others) from taking a more serious look and possibly purchasing the plane. The thought of a 100cc+ inline engine purchase makes my wallet feel faint....

Good luck with that fine looking Spitfire and it's life's blood (Quadra 100). Keep us posted on your engine quest and/or how the Quadra is performing.



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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/9/2012 10:44 PM   
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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/9/2012 11:19 PM   
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http://clarkindustries.on.ca/?page_id=292

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/9/2012 11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's the one! Anyone know how they run?

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/10/2012 2:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Clark's Spitfire is considered by many the standard for quality.  He is more than just a modeler.  He's a craftsman.  I'm sure his engine would look and run well. 

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/12/2012 10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen a few Clark Spitfires over the years, it is magnificent, but a lot of work.   The Clark engine is not really an engine, it's like a Byro Drive, it is a propeller and exhaust and belt drive combined with a regualr engine.  Like the Byro Drive, it all works well together on the planes it is made for.  The old Byron P51 went just great with the Byro Drive, but only with the Byron prop and Byron spinner and all the rest of the system.  Everybody said those prop blades would fly off and kill someone, they never did.  The Clark engine is made for the Clark Spitfire, which is I think a little bigger, but you might make it work, you should ask Clark.  He is a real craftsman, he makes guns and stuff too.  The exhaust on the Clark Spitfire sounded really great in flight.


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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/12/2012 10:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look on RCU Claasifieds, Gas Engines, page 4. There is a Husqvarna 7.3 for sale that will pull this Spit around like a combat plane. Make sure you wear earplugs!

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 1/20/2012 7:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		But then you end up with the big engine head sticking out of the cowl, which ruins the lines of a Spitfire.  This has always been the problem with Spitfire models.  The Clark one, nothign sticks out at all.


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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/23/2012 6:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about posting a couple of pics? And a progress update? And for Vallawer A friend had a byrodrive come apart- the whole prop, spinner and shaft came out and went flying across the field. He was standing next to it when it let go and it went whizzing by him. He needed some new shorts after that one..

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/23/2012 2:55 PM   
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I have seen a few Clark Spitfires over the years, it is magnificent, but a lot of work.   The Clark engine is not really an engine, it's like a Byro Drive, it is a propeller and exhaust and belt drive combined with a regualr engine.  Like the Byro Drive, it all works well together on the planes it is made for.  The old Byron P51 went just great with the Byro Drive, but only with the Byron prop and Byron spinner and all the rest of the system.  Everybody said those prop blades would fly off and kill someone, they never did.  The Clark engine is made for the Clark Spitfire, which is I think a little bigger, but you might make it work, you should ask Clark.  He is a real craftsman, he makes guns and stuff too.  The exhaust on the Clark Spitfire sounded really great in flight.



This is so inaccurate a statment all I could do is laugh. The Clark Spitfire engine is an inline gas twin engine with functioning scale exhaust. It in no way has a belt drive system. I know, I had one! Please know your data.....

See link an tell me there is a belt drive: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=792&bih=489&tbm=isch&tbnid=td0L0PMs7k-ibM:&imgrefurl=http://clarkindustries.on.ca/%3Fpage_id%3D292&docid=htLjzm3mcM15NM&imgurl=http://clarkindustries.on.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/engines-02.jpeg&w=400&h=400&ei=0mGVT96fNOSX6QHZhqCOBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&sig=101918562710106966300&page=1&tbnh=132&tbnw=132&start=0&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:70&tx=70&ty=62

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/23/2012 7:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kind of a nasty response, did you mean it that way? He was wrong are you are right, though. I did talk to Clark Industries a few months back, there is no belt involved with that engine, but no twelve cylinders either. Two inline cylinders and a twelve cylinder exhaust. It looks very nisei but it was $3500 and I spent the money on a Moki radial for my Triplane instead.
So to update...two flights on my Easytiger Spitfire so far. First was a little hairy. I put the CG at 30 percent and it was tail heavy. Very touchy. Then my carbon fiber spinner from Hobby King came apart in the air, it collapsed and flew off. The spinner bolt made a terrible vibration until it flew off too. Made the plane a little more tailheavey, even. But the landing was my best ever, into a strong nose wind, landed like a kite and rolled out only ten feet.
Second flight was without the spinner, with two more pounds of weight in the nose from some socket wrenches stuck in the nose, more like 25% of the chord. Flies beautifully. Quadra 100 is plenty of power. Second landing was not as slow as the first, and I hit a hole in the field and spun her around. I bent the lower portion of the strut but did not tear up the gear mounts. I did reinforce the gear mounts a bunch, I guess that paid off.
I am waiting on a new metal spinner. ETM replaced the lower strut.
I am going to change the canopy too. The Mick Reeves one will not fit without a lot of work, but I think the replacement ETM one will do fine if I cut it differently, not on the lines but lower.
I'll post some pics soon if I can get someone to shoot them next time I fly it.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/23/2012 9:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I clicked on panhndl's link (Post 5) and saw no belt drive.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/23/2012 10:39 PM   
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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/23/2012 10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only two flights, but it seems to be a real winner. Very easy to fly. I have not put it on the scale, but it feels light when you pick it up and it acts light in the air. One other thing I need to do is install more permanent nose weight, bolted down properly.
Not much to criticize, the fuel tank included was a joke, only 20 ounces or so, I threw that out and put in a dubro one, the retracts, you need to take them apart and tighten and loctite every screw, the filler valve was missing the internal flapper valve, but pretty small complaints. Very quick to build. I am using Jr 8411 servos on everything except standard servos on throttle and retracts. You need to put in a wooden bock to raise the retract valve to meet the servo height.
Great model. I am working now on assembling the ETM Fokker Triplane.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/24/2012 2:23 AM   
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Kind of a nasty response, did you mean it that way? He was wrong are you are right, though. I did talk to Clark Industries a few months back, there is no belt involved with that engine, but no twelve cylinders either. Two inline cylinders and a twelve cylinder exhaust. It looks very nisei but it was $3500 and I spent the money on a Moki radial for my Triplane instead.
So to update...two flights on my Easytiger Spitfire so far. First was a little hairy. I put the CG at 30 percent and it was tail heavy. Very touchy. Then my carbon fiber spinner from Hobby King came apart in the air, it collapsed and flew off. The spinner bolt made a terrible vibration until it flew off too. Made the plane a little more tailheavey, even. But the landing was my best ever, into a strong nose wind, landed like a kite and rolled out only ten feet.
Second flight was without the spinner, with two more pounds of weight in the nose from some socket wrenches stuck in the nose, more like 25% of the chord. Flies beautifully. Quadra 100 is plenty of power. Second landing was not as slow as the first, and I hit a hole in the field and spun her around. I bent the lower portion of the strut but did not tear up the gear mounts. I did reinforce the gear mounts a bunch, I guess that paid off.
I am waiting on a new metal spinner. ETM replaced the lower strut.
I am going to change the canopy too. The Mick Reeves one will not fit without a lot of work, but I think the replacement ETM one will do fine if I cut it differently, not on the lines but lower.
I'll post some pics soon if I can get someone to shoot them next time I fly it.


Negative....not a nasty response. Just facts on no belt drive. If you know the history of vallawyer and his posts, you will understand. If not, then I'm afraid my post is lost on you.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/24/2012 5:48 AM   
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I think Vallawyer my have been thinking of this......

http://www.vogelsang-aeroscale.com/geardrivetoniclark.html

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/24/2012 2:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah yes, the Toni Clark belt drive....way cool on WWI birds. I saw that thing at Toledo, and it is a very nice set-up. Much better than the old belt drive system Toni Clark had, which was difficult to keep tightened up. I actually tried the toni Clark belt drive on a Mick Reeves Spitfire, and it was almost impossible to cool the G-62 head. And, it always loosened up.

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RE: Easy tiger Giant Spitfire - 4/24/2012 10:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clark industries did have a geared twin many years ago. I can remember it was a planet gear, but because of huge vibrations, it never got into production.

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