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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/21/2012 3:38 PM

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Thanks Taimoor. Finding a good day this time of year wont be easy, but I will be ready. Taking to the LHS for a good tune on the 2nd of April.

The decal set has shipped for it. Any advice from Goose on the installation???

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/22/2012 2:42 PM

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Hey David...

I actually had a tough time with the decals this time around and I used the same method I always do.

I won't say it was the decals themselves as the quality is very good (printed on heavy vinyl with a clear coat) but over the open bays (always tricky) air bubbles were difficult to remove.

In the end the wet method worked best as the adhesive is very aggressive.

My way of doing it is:

Lay a string line (white thread) wingtip to wingtip and/or masking tape to align the decals.
Spray the wing (for example) and the decal with water from a spray bottle. I don't use detergents because of previous bad experiences. Use plenty of spray.
Align the decal where you want it and float it into position.
Using a firm squeegee (commercial or a credit card) work from the center out 'pushing' the water to the edges. Paper towels catch the water well.

You can work any bubbles out with time and effort, but for the ones that won't move, pierce them with a new #11 blade and work the water out.

Warning: The Edge 540 Carbon graphics are printed on vinyl. Be careful as too much pressure and squeegeeing will scrape the ink off.

Oh and be careful to install the tail graphic up the right way (not like me

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/22/2012 5:23 PM

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Goose,
Have you tried the new graphic material from B and E. It is called air release vinyl. The graphic go on much easier and you get no air bubbles. It makes putting on the most complicated graphics a snap. It cost a little more, but it is more than worth it. By the way, I am missing my daily dose of the Goose Chronicles.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/22/2012 6:42 PM

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Hey Brian...

I haven't tried it yet but all reports indicate it is very good. Sounds like you have used it... cool.

Ha! Fair comment. I haven't done anything since last weekends run-up, busy times.

I do have to replace the Schottky diodes I put in the electrical system as they were under rated and one blew. They are 370mA and apparently the Futaba Rx' pulls around 750mA. I will replace them with 1A diodes when I can find some.

Other than that, because I put that little valve back next to the pilot, the fuel lines are long and you can't prime the engine in the normal way. I resolved that by putting a one-way check valve 2.5" from the firewall and problem solved.

Small things include wire ties for the fuel line fittings and I'm trying a new synthetic oil this year (Stihl Ultra HP).

I have to modify the trailer I bought to transport the orange beast to the field and now that the weather here is much better, I will get into that shortly.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/23/2012 12:41 AM

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Goose, the Still Ultra HP oil you mentioned is one of three the DA-60 book recommends. It must be good stuff. I have not bought any yet as I was told to run 2 gallons of fuel with Lawn boy oil in it to seat the ring.

On the decals, that sounds like a good plan. I have not worked with much vinyl beyond some DOT letters on a work truck. It sounds like the same process I use for window tint on vehicles though. I've done quite a bit of that over the years. Only thing different is I wet the top of the tint also, so the squeegee glides a little easier. I use distilled water in a spray bottle with a few drops of dish washing liquid. I'll leave the Dawn out for this go around. Thanks for the tips.

BTW an inverted decal on the tail sounds like a good idea. My plane is inverted a lot anyway. :-)

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/23/2012 12:42 PM

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Hi David...

My DL50 is a couple of seasons old now and well past the break-in period. I did use mineral oil as recommended but broke it in, in the air rather than all that time on the ground, just took it easy.

My DL20 however was run on synthetic oil from day one because I had a reasonable batch of it mixed for the 50 and I was lazy. I didn't seem to hurt it as it is an excellent performer but I recommend following the manufacturers instructions for new engines.

I didn't think to wet the top of the vinyl during application, good idea. Next time.

One other comment when installing the rudder decal, because it's a wrap-around, I'd recommend removing half the backing paper and start at the LE. Flex the rudder all the way to form the decal into the hinge slot as it looks a lot better, before doing the opposite side. I had my rudder fixed and did both sides at the same time. It worked out ok but there is an orange strip in the hinge slot that bugs me. I'll get over it

Ha! Nice one Re: upside down decal... I'm going to use that reason when people hassle me... thanks!

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/23/2012 7:51 PM

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Hey guys,

Did a little homework on my DLE55 oil for my first gasser. Castrol TTS synthetic... seems to do very well from my experience. I got a few for my flying buddies and they too are very pleased, particularly the 3D/freestyle guys.

Goose,

Would you recommend the 20cc DLE? been reading mixed reviews. I want it for my AW 46-60 edge, though weight may be an issue (currently using OS 65AX)....so second option would be RCG 15cc???

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/23/2012 8:14 PM

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Hi Taimoor...

Yes! Absolutely recommend the DL20, it's a great little engine and performs well on my AW ProX260...

I know of two others in the club running them and expect more this season.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/24/2012 3:34 AM

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Hey Brian...

I haven't tried it yet but all reports indicate it is very good. Sounds like you have used it... cool.

Ha! Fair comment. I haven't done anything since last weekends run-up, busy times.

I do have to replace the Schottky diodes I put in the electrical system as they were under rated and one blew. They are 370mA and apparently the Futaba Rx' pulls around 750mA. I will replace them with 1A diodes when I can find some.

Other than that, because I put that little valve back next to the pilot, the fuel lines are long and you can't prime the engine in the normal way. I resolved that by putting a one-way check valve 2.5'' from the firewall and problem solved.

Small things include wire ties for the fuel line fittings and I'm trying a new synthetic oil this year (Stihl Ultra HP).

I have to modify the trailer I bought to transport the orange beast to the field and now that the weather here is much better, I will get into that shortly.

Cheers

Goose

Goose,
I have been using Stihl Ultra HP for the past four years. It works great. I run it from the first tank to the last tank. Using synthetic is fine to use in break in. That is a wife's tale. Depending on the motor, it can take a little longer to break in. I have taken one of my DLE 55 competely apart after 15 gallons of gas and you can eat off the top of the piston. It has detergents that help in the carbon build up on the piston. You will love the stuff. I run it at 40 to 1 from Day 1. I make sure I monitor my engines temp during break in. I fly circles mostly for the first three tanks making sure the engine is getting good airflow. I like it cause every farm and implement store carries Stihl oil.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/25/2012 6:40 PM

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goose,

how does one calculate quiescent current ? i have a regulator that states 60 mah quiescent current draw. Is that per hour? if i have a 2200 mah 7.4 v battery and its plugged into the regulator with out use yet consumes 60 mah, how many hours would be safe to keep it plugged?

thanks

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the silly question came up because i left my small edge at the field hangar and wont be able to get to it for another 11 hours

and i am trying to figure out if its safe enough not to lose my lipo or even worst cause an accident.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/26/2012 12:58 PM

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Thanks for the details Brian... good to hear.

I have seen several different ratios from 40:1 to 45:1 to 50:1 on synthetic.

I found a local supplier on the weekend and bought 6x200ml bottles (they don't sell it by the bottle) which at 50:1 is about 6 years of flying for me!

At $30/L, that's a good thing.

One 200ml bottle thrown in my 10L mixing jug gives me 50:1... convenient, but too little oil? The DL manual says 45:1, in your case a little more oil sounds like it's just fine.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/26/2012 1:03 PM

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Whoa! Taimoor... want to edit that down to a dull roar?

At 60mAh quiescent current draw, your battery from full charge will last around 36 hours (on paper).

You will be fine if you get it in 11 hours.

mAh = milliamps per hour.

Good luck.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/26/2012 2:43 PM

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I run 40 to 1 ratio on everything except my DLE20. Per Jody, he suggested running it at 32 to 1 due to the high rpm that the DLE 20 runs. The bearings need much more oil in this little motor. Oil ratio as well as Oil is a topic that has been beat to death on all the threads. I trust Jody as he did most of all the testing on the DLE motors when he worked at Valley View. He knows his stuff.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/26/2012 2:45 PM

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Good one Brian, thanks...

Now I need to figure out a ratio that satisfies both engines

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/28/2012 2:45 PM

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Goose,
Have you flown your Edge yet....we are all dying in anticipation.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/28/2012 2:52 PM

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Hey Brian...

Nope, weather has degraded back to early spring here with freezing rain, ice pellets and the like this morning, with no improvement over the weekend. It's going to be a while yet but I'll let you know

I still have a couple of things to do on her including replacement of the Schottky diodes, setup the throws and a final balance. I also have to prepare the trailer I bought last year etc.

I've decided to run all my gassers on 40:1 Stihl Ultra HP... I ran the DLE20 on 50:1 all last season with no issue so the 'extra' oil can only help.

Hang in there!

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/28/2012 3:44 PM

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Got the decals in on Monday for mine. Unfortunately they are for an Edge 540 AARRRGGGHHH!.The correct ones are supposed to be here Friday along with a call tag for the old set and an extra $10 charge for the difference in price. I thought calling in my order was the best way to be sure it was done right. Turns out I was wrong.
Either way it is going to OKC on Monday to get tuned. Maiden should happen early April depending on weather.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/28/2012 4:28 PM

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"...Unfortunately they are for an Edge 540 AARRRGGGHHH!..."

What's wrong with that? You don't like Edge's!??

Ah bugger... at least you get the correct ones within a week... that would take at least a month to here.

Looking forward to seeing yours take to the air as well... there is going to be a bunch of maidens soon!

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/28/2012 10:06 PM

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I did think about sticking them on there Goose. Just to see who would notice. But they are not the right color.

Spring time is the season for maidens.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 3/29/2012 12:41 PM

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I did think about sticking them on there Goose. Just to see who would notice. But they are not the right color.

Just kidding around with you David... it's gotta be right!

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 4/1/2012 3:27 AM

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Got the DA-60 tuned today. It makes more noise than your 50 on a pipe Goose. Sound is on the mellow side though. At least compared the the other gasser I have. (DLE-30) Only needed 1/8 out on low end and 1/4 in on high end. Guy that helped said it should hover the Extra at 1/2 power. I hope he is right.

It sure felt stout on the ground. I cab tell already though it's going to need more prop after break in. I did not tach it but it sounded like it was really turning up.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 4/1/2012 4:02 AM

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That motor likes a 24 X 8. Anything smaller will cause it to rip. That may be the noise you are hearing
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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 4/1/2012 3:44 PM

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That's the size I am going to after the break in Brian, thanks. It's not going to see much full throtle for the first couple of gallons anyway. The longer the break in the longer the life of the engine. IMHO

A few pics of the fit in my truck. As you can see, the 50CC Edge and the 3DHS AJ Slick were never going to fit. Both are not only longer, but the rudders are too tall.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 4/1/2012 4:03 PM

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Dave,
I had the same problem, so I bought a used topper for my truck. It was cheap. Just a question on using a break in prop...That really only appies to glow motors. You should put the prop on the plane that you are going to fly and tune the motor for that prop. Just don't hover the plane and keep air going over the engine constantly and monitor the heat. You will notice that different props need slighty different tunes. I cant see what prop you have on it, but if you are using a 23X8 it is not even loading the motor at all. I have run a 23X8 on my DLE55 from day 1. Ask around and you will see that its a myth about break in props.

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RE: Goose's 50cc Aeroworks Edge 540 (orange) assembly t... - 4/1/2012 10:01 PM

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You may be 100% right Brian. I was trying to follow what the DA book said that came with the engine. It suggested a 23X8 for break in. I will be carefull not to over speed it. After the first few flights, I will order the 24X8 and trade them out. It's hard to wrap my head around the fact that 1" in prop length makes that big of a difference. My years were all spent on glow, buy going from a 23" to a 24" does not seem like that big of a deal. i know it is, but it has me a little puzzled. Take a .60 size glow engine for example. It's about half the size of a prop. If it runs good on a 12X6 going to a 12.5X6 or 11.5X6 it's going to hard to tell the difference without a tach.

Thanks again for the help, david

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