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Why should I join ? - 8/27/2003 1:28:44 AM   
lkaras1


 

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Status: offline 		I have been reading some of these threads for awhile now and keep wondering "why should I join"? It seems that most people only join for the insurance because there is nothing better out there. You cant join many clubs, with out AMA, you cant fly in competions without AMA, etc. I may be wrong but thats just the way it seems. Seems like everything you read has to due with AMA insurance. Do they set up booths at hobby shows to get more members, tell people they are more that just insurance? What benifits justify the $58 a year?
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Website - 8/27/2003 1:41:34 AM   
Scar



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Status: offline 		Have you checked their website?

It's something like [url]www.modelaircraft.org[/url]

Lots of the information you seek there.

Good luck
Dave Olson

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Why should I join ? - 8/27/2003 2:40:40 AM   
lkaras1


 

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Status: offline 		Yes I have checked the web site. But why do so many people still seem like its not worth it ? I have seen many posts that state if it wasnt for the insurance, themselves or their club would say no to AMA. To me it sound like the big shots dont do much for the little guy. Why hasnt anyone come up with something better? Or is it the "old timers" are just set in their ways and nobody is will to fight to change things?

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It ain't the *Old Timers* alone - 8/27/2003 8:54:46 AM   
Hossfly



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by lkaras1
Yes I have checked the web site. But why do so many people still seem like its not worth it ? I have seen many posts that state if it wasnt for the insurance, themselves or their club would say no to AMA. To me it sound like the big shots dont do much for the little guy. Why hasnt anyone come up with something better? Or is it the "old timers" are just set in their ways and nobody is will to fight to change things? [/QUOTE]

There are some of us old timers that do want change and are doing what we can to do that. Back in '79-82, when I was your District VI VP I worked for change along with the late Earl Witt one of the couple really good AMA Presidents. We didn't accomplish that much yet what we did certainly had long range results.
Now at age 67, I am trying again to get into a position to again work for change in AMA directions, as I also tried last year.
Unfortunately the *young and smart* don't want to hear of politics, but just play with their toys.
That makes those *Old-Timers* without vision the absolute monarchs of the "status-quo".
There is a large amount of information within this forum, however very difficult to decipher at a glance. If you want to learn, then give the various threads some serious study.

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Why should I join ? - 8/27/2003 7:45:03 PM   
Live Wire


 

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Status: offline 		If you don't join you will not get to fly or be a member of a club, it makes no difference how old you are thats life ! Change have to be made but us old crow can't change a lot of the younger sets mind and way's
PS You can fly but not AMA.

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Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 5:44:23 AM   
rw Guinn



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by lkaras1
Yes I have checked the web site. But why do so many people still seem like its not worth it ? I have seen many posts that state if it wasnt for the insurance, themselves or their club would say no to AMA. To me it sound like the big shots dont do much for the little guy. Why hasnt anyone come up with something better? Or is it the "old timers" are just set in their ways and nobody is will to fight to change things? [/QUOTE]
Actually, if they are doing their jobs properly, you wouldn't hear a lot about them- things would be smooth, and everybody would know what has happened. That is the ideal. Nothing works that way.
That said, there are large numbers of folks who can't stand rules of any kind, who don't believe that anyone has the right to interfere with their "fun", and that they should be able to do as they wish, at any time.
There are also large numbers of people who don't want to be bothered by rules, politics, or details. The hobby is flying-or rather, making holes in the sky- without the mess and fuss of actually modeling.

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Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 5:57:28 AM   
David Cutler



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Status: offline 		Why should you join?

For the same reasons you have RC as a hobby perhaps?

It's debatable how much, but AMA does a lot for us, and, put simply, they need support. We can't always leave everything to other people then enjoy the results of their work.

Is that a good enough reason?

-David C.

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Re: Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 6:12:30 AM   
Bill Vargas



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by lkaras1
I have been reading some of these threads for awhile now and keep wondering "why should I join"?,,, What benifits justify the $58 a year? [/QUOTE]

You need to ask yourself the question,,, What type of insurance do I have now that will cover an accident (property damage)or injury to a person that I caused while flying my plane?



BV

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Re: Re: Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 7:36:42 AM   
rw Guinn



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Vargas
You need to ask yourself the question,,, What type of insurance do I have now that will cover an accident (property damage)or injury to a person that I caused while flying my plane?



BV [/QUOTE]
Rather, you should ask- Do I want more from the hobby than just a place to fly and insurance? If so, join. If not, please yourself and buy separate insurance. Or trust your homeowners insurance.

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Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 9:42:43 AM   
BasinBum



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Status: offline 		And so, my fellow RCer's: ask not what your AMA can do for you-- ask what you can do for your AMA.

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Re: Re: Re: Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 9:52:59 AM   
Jim Branaum


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by rw Guinn
Rather, you should ask- Do I want more from the hobby than just a place to fly and insurance? If so, join. If not, please yourself and buy separate insurance. Or trust your homeowners insurance. [/QUOTE]

Thank you Roger.

Your response is the correct one but it really is hard for many folks who believe the AMA is insurance only to see, understand, and believe.

For years we have told people that insisted on discussing the insurance coverage that the reason to do it the AMA way is logistical. You know, we know the insurance is good and cannot be canceled for non-payment like car insurance and it has a pre defined expiration date with well and widely published conditions and exclusions. Well that is only 1/2 the story.

The rest of the story is a little more removed from view than most will admit to because many do not see traveling and visiting other clubs even though the raw numbers of events and attendance indicates that a great many do. Getting AMA to join any given club is only the tip of the iceberg of what you are really getting into. Almost any club that has any kind of an event (competitive or otherwise) is probably going to ask to see your AMA card to let you play with them. Even as a visitor, you have to play by their rules which probably say "AMA member".

Since I know that you have recently relocated, I suspect you have some fresh experience in this very subject.

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Why should I join ? - 8/28/2003 11:43:30 AM   
David Cutler



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by BasinBum
And so, my fellow RCer's: ask not what your AMA can do for you-- ask what you can do for your AMA. [/QUOTE]

Are you a Berliner too?

-DC

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why should I join ? - 8/29/2003 9:23:57 AM   
rw Guinn



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim Branaum
Thank you Roger.

Your response is the correct one but it really is hard for many folks who believe the AMA is insurance only to see, understand, and believe.

>>>>Constructive snippage to reduce length<<<<<

T Getting AMA to join any given club is only the tip of the iceberg of what you are really getting into. Almost any club that has any kind of an event (competitive or otherwise) is probably going to ask to see your AMA card to let you play with them. Even as a visitor, you have to play by their rules which probably say "AMA member".

Since I know that you have recently relocated, I suspect you have some fresh experience in this very subject. [/QUOTE] \

Not only relocating, but visiting, too. I can visit my in-laws in Kansas, and KNOW that I will have a place to fly-a safe place. I can got to [url]www.modelaircraft.org[/url] and find a club contact, and all I need is an AMA number- Instant guest! In fact, I have done this with the Wicjitas, KS, group, the Temple Texas club (who went WAYYY out of their way trying to find someone to open the gate and fly with me on a weekday morning!), and the Kennedale and Oyster Creek, Tx clubs, as well as 4 or 5 clubs in my new home in Ft. Worth. All I needed was an AMA number. I will join 1 or more of the Ft. Worth clubs, as all have been friendly and helpful.
As an AMA member, you ARE a member of a much larger fellowship- the modelers!
Roger

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Why should I join ? - 8/29/2003 5:23:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by lkaras1
Yes I have checked the web site. But why do so many people still seem like its not worth it ? I have seen many posts that state if it wasnt for the insurance, themselves or their club would say no to AMA. To me it sound like the big shots dont do much for the little guy. Why hasnt anyone come up with something better? Or is it the "old timers" are just set in their ways and nobody is will to fight to change things? [/QUOTE]



You generally see the same people ****ing and griping about the AMA costs and that insurance shouldn't cost that much. But they forget the AMA is an organization that promotes model aviation, not an insurance company. The insurance is a benefit of membership. Some of these people can be classified as part of the "instant gratification society". Others I am not so sure about, like the guy that will spend $5000.00 on his jet or giant scale plane, but still complain that AMA dues are expensive!

There are options if you don't want to support the hobby through AMA. You can purchase some land and get insurance. Others have done this.

I personally like to be part of an organization that promotes model aviation(all aspects), and be able to have the camaradarie of my fellow modelers while I fly.

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Reasons? - 8/29/2003 8:21:23 PM   
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AMA are the necessary, - 9/16/2003 5:24:51 AM