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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 3/30/2012 4:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I have had a few losi transmissions apart. They use a much better design. There really is not much play at all in the forward/reverse mechanism of the losi transmissions. Losi probably has the best forward/reverse mechanism of the bunch. However, I have never looked at a savage reverse mechanism so i cant compare it to that. I have had a couple issues with losi transmissions though. My MGT transmission has been more reliable so far.

I know what you mean about reverse being handy at times. If you are happy with how it operates, then run it until it breaks and then go from there. It may last you a long time if you are careful about not nailing the throttle after you have been coasting or after changing from forward to reverse, or vice versa.

Also, I hadnt thought of it until now, but you could make some tabs out of steel and weld maybe 3 extra tabs to that ring that the factory tab is built into. That may be quite a bit easier than adding pins to the hub. Might work pretty well actually, just have to get a good weld on the parts. Id say a machine shop or welding shop would do it pretty cheap if you wanted to try it. If it didnt work, you could buy another stock ring with the stock tab and screw it on. I believe it would make a big difference in taking the play out though...

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 3/31/2012 11:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone tried or seen these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Monster-GT-MGT-titanium-tie-rod-turnbuckles-TAGM1160-/270943098728?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f15779768

Some of my stock turnbuckles are a little bent, and I pulled a ball end off one the other day. These are pretty cheap, so thinking about trying them...

Or, are there any other good ball ends that fit the MGT turnbuckles? I really dont need the whole turnbuckle, but they could be handy as spares.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/1/2012 1:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, they look trick. My brother and I looked up the tensile strength for Titanium. It's like 2/3 the strength of Steel. The only benifit is weight saving. I bent my turn buckle rods (steering rod), so Im wondering what that poor servo went through. I have been thinking of something more along the lines of this sorta thing. If not, Im just going to do the washer trick. It seems to work on the Savage.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FG-4437-ALLOY-BALL-JOINTS-NEW-PAIR2-balljoints-5mm-M8-4-conical-spacers-/320877576468?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item4ab5cb4114

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/1/2012 1:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's some steel one's even.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/1/2012 1:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I also thought I'd try some thermo paste between the heatsink and the head. If you consider that a transister will blow up if it doesnt have the thermo paste, I guess it does something helpfull. Will see if it improves the cooling efficiency.
The pic looks confusing as I forgot to bring the heatsink with me when I put the engine back together again, so I had the head nipped down during the transit. So this pic is just before I put the paste on. I had to be quick with the application, so I forgot the interim pics. But the paste is between the top of the head and the heatsink.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/1/2012 5:41 AM   
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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/2/2012 5:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for that insight Cummins, I think that is what happened, I let off and then goosed it and KABLOOEY!
I've always hated the way the MGT trans engages, rev...BOOM...
I have a theory on that's why it likes to smoke the clutch too, the engine clutch engages and then the tranny slams into gear causing the clutch shoes to slip under hard grab causing the alum to burr up, especially when the CB is hot.

Then there's my thought on why the 8.0 is such a wheelie machine, a freaking Nissan Sentra will light the tires up if you neutral drop it...
Add plenty of rear toe in and traction = wheelie machine.
I mean my 8.0 will pull wheelies while rolling when it's on a good tune, but the tune don't really matter if you are popping wheelies by "slamming it into drive".

BTW an awesome member on my forums is already sending me a FOC for free, is the gear I stripped part of the FOC?

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/2/2012 6:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Id say that transmission is hard on the clutch shoes as well for the reason you state. I do think the transmission "helps" with the wheelies too, but that .50 is a torque monster and I think its pretty good at wheelies even without a run up at it.

Yes, the FOC will replace the gear you stripped as well as the forward/reverse gear hub, main shaft, and the reverse gear. You will install a new main shaft, some spacers, and a new gear for the main (or output) shaft. It'll take basically all of the slack out of the transmission. I think you will like the operation of the transmission much much better. You are used to not having reverse anyways They should have just left reverse out and cut the cost down on the MGT from the get go. They could have made reverse an upgrade. I guess they wanted to appeal to a larger crowd though.

I dont like that big long back bumper on the 8.0 but it sure works good for keeping the truck from going over backwards. I thought about putting one on my brushless MGT, but dang I just cant make myself like the looks of that thing sticking out so far. Wish they would have used a wheelie bar instead of extending the bumper. lol

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/2/2012 9:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks again Cummins, you always have great info!
I guess when I get the FOC I'll be good to go, I need to do some looking because IDK crap about that thar MGT trans der hey!
You will be in my truck pulling prayers! (BTW I pray backwards for satan)
Lol JK truggy racing starts soon, and I will be "pullin" for ya man!

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/2/2012 10:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, you definitely know your trucks Cummins. My SavageXL's got the 12mm hex's, so Im suspecting its the older model that came out. I heard that they were only 2speed transmissions, and mine only runs on 2 speeds. But the transmission outer case itself is identical to the spare 3speed I bought. Can anyone verify this at all...?

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/4/2012 2:23 AM   
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Yeah, you definitely know your trucks Cummins. My SavageXL's got the 12mm hex's, so Im suspecting its the older model that came out. I heard that they were only 2speed transmissions, and mine only runs on 2 speeds. But the transmission outer case itself is identical to the spare 3speed I bought. Can anyone verify this at all...?


You got pics of this "XL"... sounds like a converted X or 25 to me.
ALL the XL's came with 17mm hexes and a 3 speed, I had one of the first.
The Savage X and XL share the same case, does yours split in half at the top without removing the TVP's to get into the trans?


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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/4/2012 5:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys, but try not to lay it on too thick. My head will swell up

Slayer is correct. ALL XL's came with a 3 speed, and 17mm hexes.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/4/2012 12:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hahahahaha....yeah, sorry, I totally stand corrected...!! So damn used to looking at the MGT gear, everything else looks hard to gauge. Well, must just be the throw-out dog that needs adjusting then. Its not like I get to go over second gear bashing anyhow... but I'll try turning the adjustment screw in the transmission next run and see what happens. Im really really liking the sounds of a LRP.30 after the current poo-bucket 5.9 bodge job...!!

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/4/2012 3:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		↑ ausrcnut, Truck looks like been through hell and back.

What type of receiver battery do you guys use in your truck?


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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/4/2012 9:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is a 14mm hex, but those wheels are 17mm. Someone put an old style 14mm hex(or hexes) on the truck not thinking I guess. Those wheels are 17mm. If you run those hexes in the wheels, they probably wont last long. You need the correct 17mm hexes so that its a good fit. Put that hex into the wheel and I bet you'll see its smaller than the hex built into the rim.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/5/2012 1:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL... Yeah, this truck has been through hell. I bought it second hand, but since have flogged the absolute ass off it, no light treatment spared...!! It takes the abuse the MGT fails at. I busted up my MGT pretty bad, but just waiting on the Knuckmod spares to be delivered to complete the mod and get it burning and turning once again. Im really happy with the SavageXL's ability to take punishment... I just wish the MGT wasnt so heavy. But I love them both all the same. :-D

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/5/2012 5:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		It amazes me what a savage will put up with. Mine is the best r/c i have owned for sure. Tough as nails.

My father in law had an immaculate .25 savage. Pretty much all original and stock. He sold it when he got his MGT 8.0, even though I told him it was a mistake and that he would miss it. About 3 weeks later he bought a nice used 4.6 off of ebay and he says its not going anywhere

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It amazes me what a savage will put up with. Mine is the best r/c i have owned for sure. Tough as nails.
My father in law had an immaculate .25 savage. Pretty much all original and stock. He sold it when he got his MGT 8.0, even though I told him it was a mistake and that he would miss it. About 3 weeks later he bought a nice used 4.6 off of ebay and he says its not going anywhere


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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/5/2012 9:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeh...the SavageXL certainly can take punishment. There's just so much give to it, it flexes to anything. My previous SavageX 4.6, in the end it was so busted, I bent 3 of the shock shafts, all wheel bearings were flogged out, and most of the vehicle was cable-tied together. lol. But that was when I was younger, was my first RC ever, and didnt know much about maintenance. XD

The LRP.30, I guess I'll wait till the "5.9" has packed it in (about 1 to 2 gallons max left in the liner) and purchase then. I love the look of that engine though, and the results speak for themselves..!!

As far as radio gear and batteries go, I currently use stock radio gear, as it hasn't failed yet (only reason). The MGT radio gear is definitely more responsive and direct, and was thinking of buying another Associated receiver for the SavageXL and just having the one transmitter. My RC bag is getting too full with two of everything for the trucks on the same bash session (as I always take both out as one's bound to break early XD ). But batteries, I use 6V NiHi 3800mAh hump packs for the receivers and 11.1v LiPo 5000mAh batteries for the transmitters. They seem to add a LOT more response to the operation of the vehicles, and definitely improves the steering for certain. I like the MGT's steering, its quite strong and direct with the hump packs and increases the run time as well. I basically set up the components for maximum run time, and the hump packs will run all day, so happy with that. I quickly got pissed off with buying and changing AA batteries every session, sometimes twice per day. :-S

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/6/2012 7:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was out bashing the Brushless MGT with my father in law the other day. He has an E-maxx that i just put a brushless in for him. We were just beating around on some dirt piles climbing hills and jumping them some. I landed a small jump with the wheels still spinning, but not really on the throttle. When the back wheels hit I heard a pop that was fairly loud. Thought i might have took out the rear differential finally, but it was still pulling fine and no bad noises, so I thought maybe it was just a shock cap that popped off.

When we got home later I reaslized my transmission mount bolts had backed out some, so I decided to pull the electronics and stick them back into my truggy while I check out the MGT. I went ahead and pulled the rear differential. Amazingly the gears still look new, but you can tell the spiders are worn from the play, and all the bearings were about shot. Im not sure if the diff made that pop noise or not, but it needs some maintenance.

So, instead of rebuilding it, im just going to buy a new one off of ebay, pull it apart and shim it, and put it in. Its cheaper and more cost effective and it even comes with a new case and everything. It would cost me more to rebuild it than to replace the whole thing. Parts are pretty cheap for the MGT, and I really like that about it. This differential has been through heck and the gears still look new. Impressive isnt the word for it. Its amazing how good steel machined helical cut gears can take that abuse and still look good.

I need to work on the transmission mounting a little bit. Its loose as I said, so I may try to put some locknuts on the bolts so that it cant back them out from the vibration. Ill also pull the front differential and check it out as well once I get the rear back together. Probably give the whole thing a good cleaning and then re-assemble it. I really would like some aluminum shocks on this thing. I may buy some if i sell a few things...

I just acquired a castle MMM on another truck I bought. I may put it back in this MGT when it goes back together and buy another BL motor to run in it as well. I think the MMM will have smoother low end response than the ESC I had before which will be really nice for playing on hills and things. I just put an XErun 150a and 1800kv tacon motor in my FIL's E-Maxx and it is really smooth which makes it nice for playing around on hills when you need a smooth throttle response. It also is less destructive on the driveline. Anxious to get the MGT back together though. Just needs a little work and should be good.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/6/2012 11:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		You got any pics of the diff wear, it'll be interesting to see the direction of failure the item took. When I oiled my MGT diffs up, I had to slide one shim across as well and it started to bind. The oil took a any excess lash left in it too. I put 5000wt in the MGT, and while it made a difference running, being the weighty truck it is, really needs more. I put 30,000wt in the Savage and that was pretty decent. So with the MGT, next time I'll put 50,000wt in the front and 30,000wt in the rear. That would be the sweet spot. I was amazed at how the vehicles performed with filled diffs. You'll love the difference...!! We truly do live in a throw-away society, just as you stated, cheaper to buy than fix. :-S

Ive always wondered about the Castle Mamba motors. Man do they look tough and like they'd just rip chunks...!!! I think the one I was looking at was the 1600 or 1800kVa, it wouldnt rev a great deal but it'd match the .50, maybe even dominate it. As far as shocks go, the ones I have are pretty good, although, you'll have to re-oil them and change the springs (unless you already have red/gold springs). I know for a fact the rear shocks on a redcat avelanche as a good match, and I guess theres there MGT LRP alloy shocks. I didnt know about the LRP ones, I probably wouldve just bought them instead if I knew. :-S

Proline just bought out their Desperado wheels in 17mm hex form.... and yep. I did. LOL. Ive been wanting them for ages but were only designed at the time for the BAJA. So Desperado's with Trenchers in the mail...!! They were a good price too on special from A-main hobbies. $38 for 2 wheels and tyres. I was going to get the Axial 8 spoke in black, but decided on the dirt truck look. The Axials would be absolutely trick too...may even get a pair for the SavageXL. Then I can change the wheels over from truck to truck.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/1_26_58/products_id/217641/n/Pro-Line-Trencher-X-38-Tire-w-Desperado-17mm-MT-Wheels-Black-2-1-2-Offset



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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/8/2012 8:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone that says the MGT is easier to work on than a Savage hasn't worked on a newer style Savage...

That was the most painful sh..tuff I have done in a while.
Not sure if it's because - that was the first time I've been into an MGT trans, the instructions are sh..tuff, I've been up for 19 hours, or I've drank waay less beer than normal tonight.

Any way I look at it, I can work on the Savage trans alot easier than this freakking thing! :lol:

It's not THAT hard to work on, but every time you move it the parts fall out of place... again!

The pins with e-clips that hold the cups on won't fall out like the Savage but jeebus effing christ are they a pain to hold in there!

Needless to say, the FOC is installed, the bearing near the spur gear was bad and I was lucky and had a spare for the Savage 8X16X5 and the tranny should hold up for a while, the rest of the truck, who knows lol.
Glad I noticed the rough bearing before it wiped out the bevel gears and the trans case, seen a couple guys go thru that.



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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/8/2012 9:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great to hear its back together mate. I found the Savage easier to get to the diffs etc. I guess looks can be deceiving, and with the MGT, you have it displayed all out in front of you. I reckon most people refer to just pulling the engine from the MGT, "being easier to work on". I enjoyed working on the Savage, pulled it to bits. Everything's back together again and ready to get fktup...!!!. Anyone seen the differences in performance from a LRP.32 MT and a LRP.30ZR?. I know the .32 revs to 34,000rpm, and has a 5+1 port liner, and the .30 revs to 38,000rpm and has a 7+1 port liner. The .32 is about .4hp more and beefed up internals, but wondering how much more torque it'll have over the .30. I know the 5.9 revs to 39,000rpm, so the .30 would match up nice, but its not like the engine's going to be always in that bracket. So I can warrant the 34,000, but am more curious about accelleration and torque.

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RE: Evolution of the MGT or great marketing to get the ... - 4/8/2012 10:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Cummins, I briefly saw a thread on rctech about engines with insulated carbs. Just wondering what they are exactly and which engines have them. Is the "insulator" the velocity insert?

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Status: offline 		The trans works killer now!
No more !*CLUNK*! into gear every time you take off and I love that, it still wheelies good too.
Removed 6 OZ. of weight from inside the trans and 8 OZ. total including servo. (1/2 a pound!)



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