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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 1:02:14 AM   
Chris24Nitro


 

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Status: offline 		I was gonna get an SS but know that I see the Savage 25 I think I will probably get that. Other that a better pipe and possibly radio, is there ne reason to get the SS. The 25 comes with rotostart.
Does ne1 know if the 25 will com with high torque steering servos?

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 1:34:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		the savage ss comes with a .25
and i think the rtr version of the savage has the old .21 bb engine
and i think that both come with pullstarts.
or you can get the newest savage that doesn't come with an engine or radio


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difference - 8/28/2003 1:46:50 AM   
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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 1:50:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		See this chart for an easy comparison of the Savage 25 to the Savage 21!

RTR Savage 21 RTR Savage 25
Engine 21BB Nitro Star S-25
Starting System Manual Pullstart Roto Start System
Spur Gear 52T 49T
Clutch Bell 14T 15T or 18T
Clutch Type Two Shoe Three Shoe
Shock Springs Red Medium Black Firm
Fuel Tank with primer, front pick-up without primer, rear pick-up
Body Black-Silver-Purple Red-Black-Silver-Gray



21BB Nitro Star S-25
Size .21 .25
Horsepower @ RPM 2.3hp @ 30,000 2.5 @ 29,000
Heatsink Head cast metal Machined Aluminum
Case silver Black Heatsink Coating
Carburetor metal Composite
Carb Adjustments High, Mid, Low simplified to High and Low
Connecting Rod single bushing Dual Bushing
Construction ABC ABC

from savage-central... Savage 21 VS 25

So It loosk like the Savage 25 is missing the pipe and possibly the dogbones, different springs too. But the SS is missing the new rims and fuel tank and 3 shoe clutch, well the first ones probably will be, who knows maybe they will update the kit yet again.

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 2:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		by the way the rtr comes with the rotostart!!!!

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 2:28:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dont know what ur talkin about the savage ss comes with a alumium ribbed tuned pipe, .25 engine, stiffer shocks, NO radio, and unassembled. im 99% sure it doesnt come with the roto start u can see it at hpi web site its hpi racing .com and savage rtr comes assembled with .21 engine, composite tuned pipe, and radio instaled. and im almost positive all that is true

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 2:34:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		k sorry im not postive the ss comes with the roto start but ive heard some bad things about it. when u use a .21 engine and a little electric motor when the motor gets over primed (flooded) it will bind, making the motor blow. the pull start isnt all that bad i would rather have the pull start than the roto start in my book.

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 2:42:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by hpisavagepro
k sorry im not postive the ss comes with the roto start but ive heard some bad things about it. when u use a .21 engine and a little electric motor when the motor gets over primed (flooded) it will bind, making the motor blow. the pull start isnt all that bad i would rather have the pull start than the roto start in my book. [/QUOTE]


Theres 2 different new kits the SS and the RTR 25, the RTR 25 does not come with the pipe but it does come with the rotostart.

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 2:53:29 AM   
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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 2:58:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by hpisavagepro
where did u see this [/QUOTE]

thats what the whole post is about, and its stickied on [url]www.savage-central.com[/url]

Yup HPI released another version of the savage. 3 of them now...and at least 1 more to come.

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 3:05:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		k sorry i just saw it but i would personally get the ss and assemble it my self and buy a awsome radio cuz u get the pride that u built and u get a better looking in my book and a alumium pipe insted of composite. but if ur not experenced get the .25 rtr

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 3:16:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by hpisavagepro
k sorry i just saw it but i would personally get the ss and assemble it my self and buy a awsome radio cuz u get the pride that u built and u get a better looking in my book and a alumium pipe insted of composite. but if ur not experenced get the .25 rtr [/QUOTE]

The thing that makes it hard to decide is that the SS does not have the new fuel tank and will still ahev the 1/2 tank lean problem, and it comes with the lame rims that will stripp out fast, especially with the .25 in it. The SS is also missing the 3 shoe clutch, but I think people have had great luck putting the MIP 2-shoe.

So it seems to me

SS is great if you don't mid updating these 3 things yourself, and putting it together is a + and you get to pick your radio

for the RTR .25 all you would need to buy is the pipe and HD dogbones to get basicaly the same thing as the SS only you don't get to put it together and it has the rotostart. So I don;t think you could really go wrong either way.

What does this mean though? "Connecting Rod single bushing Dual Bushing "

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 3:31:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		HPI needs to make the no engine, no radio SS kit available here in the states. I'd like to know what their marketing thoughts are on this one. Do they actually think there's more demand for a rolling chassis kit overseas?

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 3:42:22 AM   
Justintoxicated



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by grampi
HPI needs to make the no engine, no radio SS kit available here in the states. I'd like to know what their marketing thoughts are on this one. Do they actually think there's more demand for a rolling chassis kit overseas? [/QUOTE]

marketing thoguhts = get everyone for as much money as they can...The way I see it I have $800 into my Savage 21, and it will cost nearly $200 to upgrade it to an RTR 25....my other option is to sell my 2 month old savage for liek $350 and lose $500 and buy the RTR 25 for $80 more...

Both choices suck, I hate you HPI!

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Savage SS vs. Savage 25 - 8/28/2003 5:19:01 AM   
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