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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 10:32 PM

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i did the 5 tank or so test but i didn't guage the temperature and the fuel wasn't splattering everywhere it was little and i couldn't visibly see any smoke from the exaust like i was supposed to but, i think i had it set at very rich since it said to turn the screw counter clockwise and it was almost coming out of the thing it's housed in.

do you know how many starts the glow igniter should last before needing recharging?

i just finished the breaking in, used up 5 tanks of gas but, now it seems like it won't start. i messed with the low speed needle a bit since the engine would quit when i would let go of the accellerator sometimes or if i pushed back and braked, i saw the redcat tutorials it means the low speed needle is probably not set correctly, but when i opened it seemed like there was a little gap like there's supposed to be maybe a little more than 1mm but it wouldn't close all the way if i braked but, anyway i reduced the space a little more like in the video i wonder if i should have done the opposite but, anyway it doesn't seem to be starting. how can i tell if the glow igniter needs recharging?

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 10:45 PM

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i did the 5 tank or so test but i didn't guage the temperature and the fuel wasn't splattering everywhere it was little and i couldn't visibly see any smoke from the exaust like i was supposed to but, i think i had it set at very rich since it said to turn the screw counter clockwise and it was almost coming out of the thing it's housed in.

do you know how many starts the glow igniter should last before needing recharging?

i just finished the breaking in, used up 5 tanks of gas but, now it seems like it won't start. i messed with the low speed needle a bit since the engine would quit when i would let go of the accellerator sometimes or if i pushed back and braked, i saw the redcat tutorials it means the low speed needle is probably not set correctly, but when i opened it seemed like there was a little gap like there's supposed to be maybe a little more than 1mm but it wouldn't close all the way if i braked but, anyway i reduced the space a little more like in the video i wonder if i should have done the opposite but, anyway it doesn't seem to be starting. how can i tell if the glow igniter needs recharging?

Which screw were you turning counter clockwise? The HSN which is the one in the sleave sticking up was set almost flush with the sleave from the factory. You should not have had to back it out anymore, if anything you will start turning it in in 1/8 turn increments to get good clean top speed after break in is complete.

The igniter will last anywhere from 10 to 20 starts depending on how long it takes to start the engine.

The LSN should not be making it stall if you didn't move it from factory. The idle adjustment which is the tiny screw thats flush with the carb body underneath the LSN will let it stall if it's backed out too much. The idle screw will prevent the barrel from fully closing when applying the brakes. Since braking reverses the throttle linkage the barrel closes. The idle screw will prevent the barrel from completely closing which will result in an immediate stall. You can disconnect your linkage and hold the carb closed. Now adjust your idle in and you'll actually see the barrel begin to open.

If you can't see smoke with the HSN this backed out then something is set wrong. It should be spitting fuel out of the exhaust with the HSN flush with the sleave.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 10:59 PM

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The HSN didn't seem flush with the sleeve it looked lower inside so I backed it out to where it was about flush since that's how it was in the tutorial i thought if i do this it would run rich and thought this was what i supposed to do or else if it wasn't in the tutorials i wouldn't have messed with it. the idle screw is what i'm messing with since it creates that gap in the carberator i tried to turn it so the gap is bigger maybe the gap was too small and that's the reason the engine would stop when i stopped accelerating or it suddenly stopped?

i hope i didn't mess anything up, i don't know how come it's not starting now i put the glow charger on charge

i mean i could see fuel splat on the floor but, again can't visibly see smoke i can feel air coming out of it when i put my hand on it but, that's about it

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 11:06 PM

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The HSN didn't seem flush with the sleeve it looked lower inside so I backed it out to where it was about flush since that's how it was in the tutorial i thought if i do this it would run rich and thought this was what i supposed to do or else if it wasn't in the tutorials i wouldn't have messed with it. the idle screw is what i'm messing with since it creates that gap in the carberator i tried to turn it so the gap is bigger maybe the gap was too small and that's the reason the engine would stop when i stopped accelerating or it suddenly stopped?

i hope i didn't mess anything up, i don't know how come it's not starting now i put the glow charger on charge

i mean i could see fuel splat on the floor but, again can't visibly see smoke i can feel air coming out of it when i put my hand on it but, that's about it

sounds like your on the right track. Keep adjusting that idle, that will fix your braking problem. Once you know the idle is right and it running right, we might look at the LSN. It's possible if it's getting way too much fuel that it will stall. It won't hurt to give it a 1/4 to 1/2 turn in when you run it again and see if that helps. Pinch your fuel line when it's running, if it takes less than 3 seconds to want to lean out and stall "like it's running out of gas", then the LSN is in too far and lean. If it takes more than 3 seconds, than it's rich and backed out too far.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 11:22 PM

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still can't start i'm guessing maybe it's the glow charger, put it on charge will see what happens. the LSN is not supposed to tight is it? at first i was accidently messing wit that and i think when i turned it became tight now i can't figure out which was the default setting i'm trying to remember it as when i did a 1/4 or so turn clockwise it became tight. i'm wondering if it's one of these the idle screw or LSN that i adjusted improperly and it's not starting. i think i'm not supposed to be adjusting these unless the car is start since you're supposed to adjust it by the sound from the redcat tutorial not sure how come i was doing it with it off.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 11:24 PM

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i hope i didn't mess anything up, i don't know how come it's not starting now i put the glow charger on charge

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/11/2012 11:40 PM

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also how often should i add filter oil to the filters?

well i dont know if i messed something up, i took the glow plug out to see if the charger is igniting it and it was, so i guess that means the glow igniter must be charged but, i'm going to continue to fully charge it since i put the glow plug back and tried to start it but it just won't start. maybe when I adjusted the LSN and made it tight it messed something up, maybe no fuel is getting through the carberator but, i loosened it back a little. if you have any suggestions would be great. in the mean time i'll have to continue with this next weekend as i'm leaving this in my shop and i'm only here on weekends. i'm going to put some of the after oil through the engine and carberator since i'll be leaving it alone during the week.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 12:16 AM

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also how often should i add filter oil to the filters?

well i dont know if i messed something up, i took the glow plug out to see if the charger is igniting it and it was, so i guess that means the glow igniter must be charged but, i'm going to continue to fully charge it since i put the glow plug back and tried to start it but it just won't start. maybe when I adjusted the LSN and made it tight it messed something up, maybe no fuel is getting through the carberator but, i loosened it back a little. if you have any suggestions would be great. in the mean time i'll have to continue with this next weekend as i'm leaving this in my shop and i'm only here on weekends. i'm going to put some of the after oil through the engine and carberator since i'll be leaving it alone during the week.

no big deal, just back out the HSN and get some fuel flowing again. Don't worry, believe it or not your learning all you'll need to know about this truck once you get it running. It's almost better to go through this stuff now then to have it run perfect out of the box, then it won't run 10 tanks later and you have no idea how to even test your glow plug.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 1:07 AM

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Ok, I'll try that next week, I'll back out of the HSN so it's flush like it was before and see if that works, I wish I had seen your post before I left since I left it at it's current setting, well next week if I get it to start I'll try to adjust it when it's on to see if I can adjust it so it's lean and engine doesn't quit when it stops. It has been definitely fun messing with this thing, today went by so fast, I feel like I learned quite a bit. Funny enough I was able to pretty much go through everything through the 5 steps of breaking it in and right after it feels I literally broke it in lol no, j/k i hope it's all fine. If I was having these issues from the beginning and wasn't able to even get through breaking in the engine I would've been way more frustrated.

Do you know if the LSN screw is supposed to tight? I'm trying to remember before I messed with it I recall it was about a 1/4 turn or 1 clockwise turn away from "tight".

should I add oil to the filters every time before I use it, if it's been sitting there for a while like a week? or do I just touch it to see if it feels oily and if it is, then it's good enough? is this something that needs to be added frequently?

thanks a lot for your help with this, i would be lost and frustrated without your assistance lol

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 1:17 AM

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the more i'm thinking about it the HSN not being set correctly sounds like it could be the problem since i'm reading and it's saying everywhere to not turn it that much only about 1/8 of a turn and i was doing full multiple turns i don't know why i was doing it this much but i pretty much went every where from above flush, to flush, and low. I don't know why I didn't adjust it with it on, I would've probably been able to tell the difference by the sound of the engine by doing slight turns instead i was just blindly turning it, that seems pretty dumb on my part even though it says everywhere to not turn it that much, no idea why I was turning it that much i guess it just felt like how can such minor adjustment make any change so i was basically rotating it like a screw

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the more i'm thinking about it the HSN not being set correctly sounds like it could be the problem since i'm reading and it's saying everywhere to not turn it that much only about 1/8 of a turn and i was doing full multiple turns i don't know why i was doing it this much but i pretty much went every where from above flush, to flush, and low. I don't know why I didn't adjust it with it on, I would've probably been able to tell the difference by the sound of the engine by doing slight turns instead i was just blindly turning it, that seems pretty dumb on my part even though it says everywhere to not turn it that much, no idea why I was turning it that much i guess it just felt like how can such minor adjustment make any change so i was basically rotating it like a screw

Yes small increments on the HSN and usually while it's running. If you cranked in tight on it you may have damaged the needle. But I wouldn't sweat it, just back it out next time, get it running and then turn it back in a little and see where it wants to run good at. You'll be surprised how a small turn will change your mixture and really let that little engine scream. There will be times when you need to give it a turn to get it started but you'll learn this over time. Filter oil is an occasional thing unless you've really got it dusted up.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 2:43 AM

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I didn't crank the HSN down low/tight, but the LSN I turned it tight, i think. Well, I just now found this video which looks helpful, going to try to set it to what he has here, incase I've messed up the HSN/LSN settings - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq0CEWQQ5BM

I'm tempted to go back to the shop tomorrow lol instead of waiting until the weekend. i hope it's fine if i try to run it tomorrow even though i put after oil tonight.

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Remember, it will be a little harder to start since you put the after run oil in it. Welcome to the obsession.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 4:00 AM

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Remember, it will be a little harder to start since you put the after run oil in it. Welcome to the obsession.

oh really? even more difficult then now, i hope i can get it to start. should i put a couple drops of nitro fuel in the carb and engine before i try to start it? i did that the first time as it stated in the video tutorials but, i don't know if i should do it the next time i try since i've already put after oil in there

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Remember, it will be a little harder to start since you put the after run oil in it. Welcome to the obsession.

oh really? even more difficult then now, i hope i can get it to start. should i put a couple drops of nitro fuel in the carb and engine before i try to start it? i did that the first time as it stated in the video tutorials but, i don't know if i should do it the next time i try since i've already put after oil in there

It probably wouldn't hurt. The more I go back and look at your posts, the more I think you should back both needles out flush. Then turn HSN in about 3/4, LSN in 1/2 to 3/4. Check your carb gap, remember the idle adjustment will set you gap and also act as a stop for the barrel when braking. I think this will get you started and then you can adjust from there. Remember, get it running and then see how it runs with some high speed passes. Adjust your HSN in small increments in until you have good high speed while still seeing smoke. If you don't have a temp gauge, put a drop of spit on the head, if it sizzles it's too hot. If it takes longer than 3-4 seconds to evaporate, it's too rich.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 6:06 AM

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Ok sounds good I'll try that. Sorry, just to be clear when you say turn in about 3/4, you mean 3/4 of an inch or you mean 3/4 rotations? Trying to do it based on how many rotations it should be, would be much easier for me than by measuring it.

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Ok sounds good I'll try that. Sorry, just to be clear when you say turn in about 3/4, you mean 3/4 of an inch or you mean 3/4 rotations? Trying to do it based on how many rotations it should be, would be much easier for me than by measuring it.

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Sorry for not being specific, yes when we talk about turning in or backing out we mean turns or rotation.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 4:46 PM

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Ok, great!

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 6:17 PM

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I had a couple questions, is this correct that the shockwave can't go in reverse? I've only used electric RC cars before this nitro one and on those on the transmitter if you push the throttle trigger forward then it goes in reverse, when I do this with the shockwave it just stops, so I'm assuming it doesn't go in reverse?

Also how long should I expect the rechargeable batteries to last in the battery pack and the transmitter? If the batteries are running low, how would I know? would it just not start or not respond to the transmitter? Since it runs on nitro are the batteries only for the transmitter?

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/12/2012 6:33 PM

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im looking into buying extra glow plugs just incase to have around and i see there are 3 different kinds which all seem to be compatible for the shockwave, a hot, cold and medium, do you know what the difference is and which one I should get?

edit: shoudl've googled that, looks like i'll go with medium unless otherwise recommended

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/13/2012 12:44 AM

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I'm not sure how long your pack will last, it depends on the mah rating. I run individual 2500's in my cars and I run 8-10 tanks before I do a complete discharge and then charge. I use the same batteries in my radios and I run them for about 6 weeks before cycling them. Some nitros have reverse but the shockwave does not, just brakes when you push forward. As far as the glow plug goes, my hobby shop has a plug/engine book which recommends a hot plug for the .18 and .28. I don't have the spec for the .15 so I don't officially know but I still run a medium in my .18 and it's fine. I would feel safe running a medium in the .15. I would want the factory answer if I was going to put a hot in it.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/13/2012 12:50 AM

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Oh ok, mine just takes AA's do those have mah ratings? or is that only for battery packs? How would you know if your batteries are running low what signs would you notice?
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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/13/2012 2:31 AM

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Sorry, when you said battery pack I thought you meant hump pack. Typically individual AA's are around 900 mah. The higher the number, the longer the run time. Most people run at least a 2000 mah rechargeable. Mine are 2500's. As far as knowing when their bad, that's kind of a guessing game unless your checking them with a tester. Another method is to install a failsafe. The failsafe plugs between your battery holder and the receiver. When the failsafe senses low voltage or signal loss from the radio, it will return your servo to neutral which will keep your car from taking off on you due to low battery.

Now I must warn you, this is a highly opinionated subject. 1 person will tell you that you must have a failsafe, another will tell you don't waste your money. As for my opinion, I don't like them or use them. To me it's a false sense of security. If you lose battery connection due to the connector coming loose, the failsafe will do nothing but laugh at you while you chase your car down the street. One time my throttle linkage came off the servo horn due to a loose screw. The failsafe cannot stop the car if it does not have control of the linkage like in this example. I don't think there a waste of money, I just don't think they're to be relied upon like some people due. Personally I like having a throttle return spring on the carb. The spring doesn't rely on electronics or connectors to work, it just does. Also I would recommend wrapping a rubber band around your battery holder and making sure its not sliding around in the case. Jumping can make batteries pop out of the holder and just rough running in general can shake the battery holder around and lose connection where it plugs in. If the battery holder is able to move around, stick a piece of foam or sponge in the case to tighten things up.

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/13/2012 3:04 AM

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Ok, got it. Yes, mine are rechargeable but, I need to check the mah they are just energizers, not sure if there are particular/specialty brands with higher mah than the usual ones. I think I'll probably keep it as is without failesafe for now what you're saying makes sense if i encounter any issues I'll think about it then. Also about the batteries, I have a rubberband wrapped around the batteries/holder pretty good, I'm not sure how much space is in there as there some wires and things in there but, if it's shaking around I'll add something in there to tighten it up, I probably just have cardboard laying around hope that will be ok.<embed style="left: 0px; top: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px; position: fixed; display: block; " type="application/rf-np-plugin" id="Siber_embed1">

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RE: glow plug included with shockwave? - 3/13/2012 3:16 AM

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Well if they're energizers they're probably somewhere between 900 and 1200. I would expect 4-6 tanks if they're rating is in that range. With my 2500's I usually leave them in for a week. I cycle them on Thursday night and run them all weekend and then 2-4 tanks during the week. If you shop for better batteries consider intergy brand. I found them on amazon. They came with 16 aa's and a smart charger/ discharger for around $48. They're rated for 1000 cycles so they'd probably be the last battery purchase you make.

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