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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 5:12 AM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 8:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		i believe that people who break into other people's stuff should absolutely assume the risk of being shot.  period.  if a lowlife is caught breaking in to my property or stealing my car, i should be able to shoot them with no recourse on their part.  after you show they were breaking in, the police inquiry should end.

but that's far from being the law.  so don't angle for a confrontation, even if you're tough enough, and though you know it's right  and would feel good.  not worth it. 

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 2:35 PM   
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Guys , guys ,............................... commen sence is dead in this day and age . If you confront the person or persons doing this , and try to teach them a lesson . Youre the one,s that are going to get the lesson , I,d find out where they live and vandelize there property ( NOT ), harrase the kids , " AT THERE HOME " And please do invite the authorities , no trespassing . Even catching them in the act means absolutly , " NOTHING " , they get a slap on the hand , and only want revenge back . Hazle there life , to no end . No violence . And actioning the parents , don,t hold youre breath , for gods sake you,ll dye trying . What I,m saying is there,s not much to do with these , " nothing else to do kids "

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 3:11 PM   
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Perhaps even just posting signs stating that the area now has security cameras will put an end to your problems.

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 3:15 PM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 5:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thieves and vandals are the scum of the earth because the only other choice they have is to get a job. They are also afraid of light and cameras. Even FAKE cameras. 12 V sensor lights if  120v is not available. Don't play cop. The judicial system has granted these scum more rights in a court of law then you have. Good luck guys, keep us posted.

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 5:24 PM   
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While I completely understand the frustration, I happen to be an 18 year member of that group you call "Worthless". 99% are good people who do the job to help people, and put themselves at risk so you dont have to. I highly doubt you leave your home on a daily basis knowing its possible you may not return to your family. I debated wether or not to respond to your ignorance, however might I suggest you rethink the "Worthless" comment.

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 6:23 PM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 6:40 PM   
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Mr. ''Flyinwalenda''

While I completely understand the frustration, I happen to be an 18 year member of that group you call ''Worthless''. 99% are good people who do the job to help people, and put themselves at risk so you dont have to. I highly doubt you leave your home on a daily basis knowing its possible you may not return to your family. I debated wether or not to respond to your ignorance, however might I suggest you rethink the ''Worthless'' comment.


I'm not frustrated nor ignorant. I'm just stating facts. The small town LE outfits I have come across are worthless when it comes to spending time "investigating" thefts and break-ins. That's part of the job they are PAID to do but typically do the bare minimum , brush it off and move on to other issues.
If you have personally gone out of your way to help a group like the OP with similar problems, stuck with it and saw it through and caught the thieves then kudos to you, you've earned your pay!
Every time I climb into a vehicle and leave the house there's a chance I may not return.

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 6:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flyin well said. We have the same issues here. Local LE would rather harass non offenders for stupid reason than get out and catch some real crooks. Example I was sitting in the deer stand on 300 acres and shot a deer when all of the sudden an officer (not dnr) told me that I was unable to shoot anymore because I didnt have a back stop for the bullets. Sir I am in a 16 foot deer stand, the earth is my back stop. He proceeded to write me a ticket (glad he did because I had proof he was an IDIOT) and tell me to cease hunting until a burm was put up. I asked him if he thought he could arrange a meeting with the deer so we could make sure that they would stand in front of it when I shoot them. Needless to say the ticket was dropped and the "officer" was fired. Not don't get me wrong there are some LE that really do an outstanding job and Im thankful for them but the rotten eggs spoil the bunch!!!

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 8:43 PM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 9:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our field's gate is in the back parking lot of a local fire station, so we have had relatively little vandal/thief problems over the years. My home OTOH has been hit several times. We put up 4 security cameras that are IR at night. I bought a small boat and outboard one afternoon, parked it in the back, (alley access). The next morning came home from a 12 hr night shift and decided to take a nap before going and buying a lock for the outboard motor.

The camera caught "Fat Albert" waddling up and unbolting the motor at 0930 on a weekday morning in broad daylight. The video showed him noticing the camera. He moved his car out of camera view, came back and got the motor and gas tank. Even had the license plate on the video that could have been read if the video had been enhanced. Gave the cops the video and heard nothing else from them. Evidently nabbing and convicting a neighborhood thief doesn't sufficiently further a State Attorney's political ambitions enough to be worth catching. Budget cuts and all, don't you know. I guess I was lucky as my enclosed trailer was parked next to the boat with 10K worth of models in it.

The point I'm making is that if there is easy access to your field, either secure valuable stuff inside, (out of plain sight), or remove it from the field. These thieves have big brass ones and don't seem to give a @#$% and evidently aren't deterred by video cameras. I guess they know more about police budget cuts and prosecutional priorities than hard working, tax-paying citizens do. I was pretty aggravated and told the cop who came out that I wished I'd gotten a chance to take a shot at the thief. He told me he'd have been glad to come out and arrest me. Seems that prosecuting gun toting property owners tends to further a State Attorney's career these days. The best defense is to have it appear that there is nothing there of value in the first place. Thieves may be brazen, but they are still lazy and if it doesn't look worth the trouble, they will move on to a more sure target. Getting personally involved in catching someone in the act is a real bad idea, (despite being a satisfying fantasy), as you stand to loose way more than what the stinking thief took. They don't let you build & fly models in jail.

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 10:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bottom line is you won't stop the behavior that is occurring with the solutions so far offered. When I belonged to a club located in South Carolina we had the same problem. The land the club was on was leased by us and the property owner advised us to move and relocated on publicly owned land. He told us that we had an attractive magnet with no protection to guard its' content. By this he ment our clubhouse and outbuildings. We contacted our local parks and recreaction department and they gave us 20 acres of land within the city limits in a sports park under developement. Now they fly from a location with twentyfour hours security and a growing membership thanks to their taxes.

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RE: security at the field - 4/11/2012 11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thieves are definitely total lowlifes. It infuriates me that we spend money to make laws yet don't enforce them.To those who blame police, State/county attorneys, or budget cuts remember that the lack of prosecution is really the result of a society where too many citizens push for these trends and refuse to place personal responsibility on people. If it were different the police's actions would change too.

Too many people stand up and say "But He's only 18 and has his whole life in front of him, give him another chance" and similar things. People need to grow some spines, Most of those kids oe people will happily waste any amount of chances they get if they ever crossed the moral line And the drugs excuse is BS as drugs don't make you forget right from wrong...They just make you care less. ...

I promise if kids saw more of there peers being sentenced to prison for life or hung in the town square (Yeah I'm from Texas origonally) they would be less likely to be interested in hanging out with the "Cool" kids who are on probation. They place to start is if you feel this way speak your mind to people who promote these ideas and make them think about it. Everyone knows some of these people. I'm sure sentencing a kid is like firing someone, But its got to be done IMHO.

I think the best suggestions here are to try and get some video and start writing letters and making phone calls if the authorities won't act and just hope they are the same race as you! Best of luck!!! I hope next time they trip and break their necks right off your property

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 12:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The town you recide in fits your profile to a tee. So you catch the thieves in the act and they are arrested. What are they going to be charged with maybe petty theft and then they will be released. Heard a story from another modeler from Texas about their clubhouse being robbed and vandalized. Turns out it was two of their fellow club members doing the crime. Adults committing crime is one thing but young adolescents doing the same thing is totally different. I have stolen petty things as a youth but IMO that is part of growing up and this something we all have experienced. I'll wager that this club is being vandalized by one or more kids not a band of criminals.

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 1:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		A savage? am I promoting punishment of INNOCENT people? If the town I live in suits my profile to a tee, the state you do fits yours.

So a group of kids doing the types of things these kids did ISN't a band of criminals? Its not like they stole a stick of gum. It sounds like they did everything nasty they could imagine. The attitude that they should be able to not be punished because of their age is EXACTLY why they do it without worry of punishment IMHO. The punishment should definitely fit the crime, but it should still be administered. What does it have to do with anything whether they are club members or not? If you consider taking a few free advertizing koozies from work or something maybe, But not everyone has stolen things...even when they were kids. So if you were asking to change the law instead of bending it how would you qualify what is and isn't crime? and would you feel the same about it? Or is it just that you feel we should make exceptions for people we feel are more worthy than others? If that's what you are saying you are totally disrupting the potential to "give everyone a fair chance" that you think you are promoting I'm sure. It would be like having a racing class and refusing to publish rules and leaving it all up to a tech inspector's discretion after the race.

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 1:47 AM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 2:42 AM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 2:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		this advice comes from experience in this area, there are several things to think of, HIDE the cameras, if the thieves see the cameras first, they'll break them or steal them, motion lights are good but still keep the area well lite, they'll shoot the lights that are on all the time out not knowing more will come on when they get close, plus record off site if possible, they'll steal the dvr recorder if they see/find it

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 5:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Write an article about the thefts and give it to the local newpaper so that they can assign a journalist to take up the issue and he will call the police and ask how the police is handling the case. This will light a fire under the feet of the police and will make them take up and do their job.......Especially if you give it to a local TV station and IF they feature it on the evening news and interview the police and what action the police have taken....this will push the police to do something about the theft. Hope all goes well with your club. God Bless. Larry.

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 11:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		One more "fun" suggestion: A company, I believe it's Firequest, sells a contraption that fires a 12 gauge blank via trip wire. Set up a couple of those and wait for the fun to begin. Now, if you manage to setup your cameras to get the perp in frame as he sets one off, you will have a viral youtube video. Especially the scene where he soils his pants.

On a more serious note, I have serious respect for the men and women in the law enforcement profession. But, when seconds count, the police are minutes away. In fact, where we live, average response time is 30-45 minutes. I'm sure this is just as frustrating to them as it is to us. Therefore, it is solely our responsibility to provide the primary protection for lives and property.

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 12:03 PM   
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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 1:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Larry has an excellent idea. Many clubs and ours is one, have had the local TV people out to do a segment on flying models. Contacting the reporter who did that story may get you a follow-up story that generates more police interest than a routine report of break-in/theft/vandalism. The cop who gets the job of investigating these reports is probably more frustrated than you about such crimes as he or she investigates this sort of crime almost daily and is probably painfully aware of the stretched resources and general unlikelyhood of making an arrest and conviction. It's the higher-ups who decide the allocation of resources and these good folks are highly sensitive to public image and perception. A TV segment or newspaper article will make them much more inclined to provide regular drive-bys.

There have been several very funny and satisfying solutions proffered, I love the one about videoing the crook's reaction to a blank shotgun round going off. Just how fast can a thief move with a full pantload. :-) However, before you set up something like that, ask yourself if your booby trap can differentiate between kids and criminals. The public perception issue mentioned above is a double edged blade. If something happens to "kids just being kids", you could earn your club a real public black eye. Best to keep the inventive Rube Goldberg mousetrap solutions for club bull sessions under the pavilion. Spend your real efforts in keeping things thieves would want secured out of sight when not in use and cultivating the good will of the local media and police. A good club program for helping youngsters get involved in the hobby marks your club as one of the community's "good guys". It's that perception that will get the resources allocated if your club does suffer a theft. The crooks play the system and count on the cops not doing much about a bunch of old guys who play with their toy airplanes. So play the system back at them by making it a crime against a bunch of old guys who are doing something for kids. Perception is everything.

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 2:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sir thats the type of answer I expected from you.... Unfortunately, due to lack of manpower/and case overload, we have to prioritize. While I am obviuosly not familiar with the outfit in your area, I feel very confident in saying that if they had a lead to follow-up on, they would. Unfortunately, sometimes we are unable to spend long periods of time looking into property type crimes, especially the cases that have no "Leads" what-so-ever. Many other more serious crimes have to come first, just the way it is. I promise you, if yourself, or one of your family members was a victim of a "Serious" crime, YOU would demand it! Either way I guess were getting off track here..,,,

Good Day to you Sir and Good Luck.

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RE: security at the field - 4/12/2012 7:09 PM   
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When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

Unfortunately this is true in most places.
When my house was burglarized it took two hours for the officer to show up, and another hour for the CSI person to try to get prints. I know property crimes are low priority for the PD but it is still very frustrating. I'd guess most people wouldn't call them at all for burglaries if the insurance company didn't require a police report for the claim.

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