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Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 1:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've heard recently that some guys make their own after-run oil by mixing some ratio of Marvel Mystery Oil and good-quality Valvoline transmission fluid.  The expensive after-run oil I purchased some time back looks just like MMO with its red color and odor.  Does someone agree with this, and if so, what's the best ratio of MMO and transmission fluid to mix?
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 2:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting suggestion!  I've been using ordinary air tool oil for some years now with very good results.  Any other experiences to add??  I've heard that Rizlone works OK too, but have never tried it.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 2:09 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 3:05 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 3:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I too like ATF because it has high detergent content.

The detergent will hold in suspension any fluids that have settled on the engines internals ready for expulsion upon the next startup.

It will also stop castor from congealing if left too long and (just my opinion here) probably cut down on the amount of castor based varnish that can occur with high percentage castor oil fuels.


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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 3:34 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 3:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I use ATF or Air Tool oil both work well.
A 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF works better than Liquid Wench for freeing thing up.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 11:21 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 1:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		ATF and Marvel are both good. After run oil is nowhere near as critical for diesels as for glows, though. The alchohol and nitro attract water. Kerosene and castor are water repellant. I only use it for long term storage on a diesel.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 1:34 PM   
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ATF and Marvel are both good. After run oil is nowhere near as critical for diesels as for glows, though. The alchohol and nitro attract water. Kerosene and castor are water repellant. I only use it for long term storage on a diesel.

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Correction, Methyl alcohol is hydroscopic but nitromethane has nothing to do with water. The byproduct of burned nitromethane is nitric acid. Hence using fuel with synthetic oil and nitro will require after run oil. One point when making fuel, nitromethane has 2% methanol added as a stabilizer so it must be calculated in the percentages.


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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 6:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been using Rislone for storage, as GMA recommended.

The lighter 'oils' seem to dry away more quickly. even in a sealed coffee can. Picked up some industrial grade air-tool oil, which is very thick. Haven't given it a good try, yet.

With diesels, three days with ports open for airing out the nitrate residues, of course.

I'll also try ATF, to see how durable it is in our relatively air-exposed use.

For diesels, air tool oil may be a slight hindrance to the first start after storage. I expect they are compounded to deter ignition in an air tool... That should flush out on that first start.

Of the lighter oils, sewing machine oil has some good points. If it handles the relaxed mechanical sensitivities of the ladies, there's something good about it.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 7:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use Rislone, and get some green exhaust for a few seconds after I start the engine. Joe Wagner, in one of his engine colums, said that after run oil would keep a diesel from starting. He was referring to the liquid gold the hobby shop sells in a small bottle. Rislone works fine. Incidentally, a friend uses a small percentage of Marvel Mystery Oil in his diesel fuel mix.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 9:21 PM   
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I too like ATF because it has high detergent content.

The detergent will hold in suspension any fluids that have settled on the engines internals ready for expulsion upon the next startup.

It will also stop castor from congealing if left too long and (just my opinion here) probably cut down on the amount of castor based varnish that can occur with high percentage castor oil fuels.



Detergent does not hold fluids in suspension, though some may also do that.  By definition detergent removes and keeps solids in suspension, not fluids.

http://www.termwiki.com/EN:detergent_oil

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 10:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		go to wal-mart and get remington spray gun oil. in the green and yellow can. used for firearms. spray it into the carb on two stroke and into the breather tube on four strokes. one good shot of 2 seconds using the little tube and it's protected from rust...........RON

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks AMB. I have been tempted for a long time. Now I'm gonna try it.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 10:40 PM   
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ATF is the best kept secret for after run oil. No additives needed.




Been using it for over twenty years, now. Never a frozen engine or bad bearings. W8YE did say a few years ago that one of the ATFs, maybe one of Fords, was to be avoided for a reason I have forgotten. W8YE??. I use Dextron.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marvel Mystery air tool Oil is what you buy when you order those little bottles of red stuff that smells like mint. Its Marvel with a rust inhibitor comes in a a white quart can in any auto parts store.

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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/11/2012 11:56 PM   
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I too like ATF because it has high detergent content.

The detergent will hold in suspension any fluids that have settled on the engines internals ready for expulsion upon the next startup.

It will also stop castor from congealing if left too long and (just my opinion here) probably cut down on the amount of castor based varnish that can occur with high percentage castor oil fuels.



Detergent does not hold fluids in suspension, though some may also do that.  By definition detergent removes and keeps solids in suspension, not fluids.

http://www.termwiki.com/EN:detergent_oil


The link provided quotes "An oil which keeps particles and contaminants in suspension and has ability to neutralize acids resulting from combustion process. "
And you don't see that 'contaminants' could be fluids?

Detergent by definition is a surfactant - just have a look at what that means.




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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 2:13 AM   
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ATF and Marvel are both good. After run oil is nowhere near as critical for diesels as for glows, though. The alchohol and nitro attract water. Kerosene and castor are water repellant. I only use it for long term storage on a diesel.

Max


Correction, Methyl alcohol is hydroscopic but nitromethane has nothing to do with water. The byproduct of burned nitromethane is nitric acid. Hence using fuel with synthetic oil and nitro will require after run oil. One point when making fuel, nitromethane has 2% methanol added as a stabilizer so it must be calculated in the percentages.





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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 2:44 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 2:51 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 7:57 AM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 8:23 AM   
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I've heard recently that some guys make their own after-run oil by mixing some ratio of Marvel Mystery Oil and good-quality Valvoline transmission fluid.  The expensive after-run oil I purchased some time back looks just like MMO with its red color and odor.  Does someone agree with this, and if so, what's the best ratio of MMO and transmission fluid to mix?
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Well; 7 to 5 year ago I used to sell an after run oil made of 98% hydraulic transmission oil + 2% molycote oil (basically a bi-sulfide of molybdenum + oil mixture). Result were EXCELENT!!!!!.
I carried on several test on the hydraulic transmission only wit two engines for comparison (supertigre 40); one with after run treatment, nothing for the other. Results were that, after some time (I have no the records here) the after runned one started as good as new while the second needed more handflips... there was a small rpm decrease too (maybe 200 rpm or so). Glow plug was substancially more clean on the first engine while the second one was more black.
Conclusion: Hydraulic oil is as good as any after run oil.
Hope my expereince it helps the the thread.
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 1:53 PM   
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RE: Home Brew After-Run Oil - 4/12/2012 4:11 PM   
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Status: online 		I used Marvel Mystery Oil on an OS FP .40 in the mid 80's. Just getting back into the hobby, found the engine, and it still has compression and turns easily! Guess I'll find out for sure if MMO works when I start it up.

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