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JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/15/2012 3:29 PM   
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I currently fly JR radio's and prefer to keep that particular brand. I've been semi out of the loop regarding info of JR and Spektrum radios.

What appears to me that JR only offers a limited amount of radios, toward the higher end radios compared with previous years and while Spektrum covers those areas along with the "lower" series of radios, aka, 6,7 channel type of radios.

Am also a little confused regarding JR and Spektrum radios, are they the same companies ? Do their products interchange between themselves?

I've been on both of their web sites (factory) and still haven't gotten a conclusive answer.

Thanks for any info along these lines.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/15/2012 5:41 PM   
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I would appreciate some clarification please from those that KNOW...

I currently fly JR radio's and prefer to keep that particular brand. I've been semi out of the loop regarding info of JR and Spektrum radios.

What appears to me that JR only offers a limited amount of radios, toward the higher end radios compared with previous years and while Spektrum covers those areas along with the ''lower'' series of radios, aka, 6,7 channel type of radios.

Am also a little confused regarding JR and Spektrum radios, are they the same companies ? Do their products interchange between themselves?

I've been on both of their web sites (factory) and still haven't gotten a conclusive answer.

Thanks for any info along these lines.


Spektrum was the first to offer 2.4 RC radios. When they came out with the Spektrum module, for my JR XP9303 72 Mhz radio, I bought one and jumped to 2.4. Shortly after, JR started offering the X9303, with built in Spektrum 2.4 technology. Then came the 12X and the 11X and the X9503.

Horizon markets both JR and Spektrum radios. Spektrum radios have been 8ch and below. Now, Spektrum is offering a 10ch and 18ch radios, now.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/15/2012 5:50 PM   
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Am also a little confused regarding JR and Spektrum radios, are they the same companies ? Do their products interchange between themselves?



Spektrum is wholly owned by Horizon Hobby. JR is Japan Radio a completely separate company. Horizon is the sole North American distributor for JR products. JR licensed the Spektrum Technology in order to get to market with 2.4 radios.

JR has now obviously decided to go their own way and build their radios with their own proprietary 2.4 DMSS technology. From this point forward the JR DMSS radios will no longer be compatible with any of the previous Spektrum/JR DSM2/DSMX radios.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/15/2012 6:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, the new JR DMSS models that HH will be selling start at 6 channels, so you will now have a choice of entry level JR or Spektrum, but they aren't interoperable.
I think that HH will need to consider a new external DSM2, or DSMX module that works off of the trainer port of almost any radio, ala the Hobbico/Tactic AnyLink. That will allow those buying the new JR DMSS radios a path for DSM compatibility, at least for popular BNF stuff.
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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/15/2012 6:39 PM   
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The new JR DMSS should be painted red so the buyers can see that "red ones cant use same modules as silver ones "
Even then I would expect to see unhappy buyers who "were not told".

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/16/2012 1:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		This certainly shows the value in modular radios. For those that own a original FM/PCM 9303 or 10x or the rare 12xMV, it will simply be a matter of popping the new JR DMSS module in the radio to use DMSS and popping it back out to use DSM....or in my case, popping in the Weatronic module to use the truly best system available

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/16/2012 4:08 PM   
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Do their products interchange between themselves?

I've been on both of their web sites (factory) and still haven't gotten a conclusive answer.

Thanks for any info along these lines.


Well you've gotten some good information but it seems most have kind of skipped answering this particular question directly....

There are three different versions of the Spektrum 2.4GHz protocol which have come out; DSM was the original and used for Park Flyers the tx's being a DX6 and the rx's being an AR6000. Then the DSM2 came out with "Full range" capability and finally the DSMX for crowded RF enviornments (lots of models in the air at the same time).

JR radios with the Spektrum RF deck and the Spektrum radios will interoperate with each other. DSM2 tx's will operate all the various rx's; DSM, DSM2 and DSMX which will operate in the DSM2 mode.

Newer Spektrum and JR tx's with DSMX will operated DSMX and DSM2 rx's but NOT DSM (AR6000).

So don't buy a used DX6 tx or AR6000 rx and you should be fine....

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/17/2012 4:45 AM   
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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/17/2012 10:17 PM   
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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/18/2012 2:42 PM   
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This certainly shows the value in modular radios.





Yeah, they are SO popular that JR discontinued the 12X MV (module version) after only a year due to weak sales and it was a modular radio capable of utilizing the full potential of the 2.4GHz band....

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/18/2012 2:52 PM   
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Whew !!! Did I ever open up a bag of snakes on this one and as a matter of fact I am GLAD I DID... Meaning, I got answer(s). Thanks to all in the know. I will check out the NEW JR mid level radios.



FYI, so you can make an informed decision... all Horizon BNF and BNFB product (ultra micro to heli to giant scale) use and support the DSM2/DSMX Spektrum protocal, so if this is your area of interest, please take it under consideration.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/19/2012 2:15 AM   
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Spektrum is wholly owned by Horizon Hobby. JR is Japan Radio a completely separate company. Horizon is the sole North American distributor for JR products. JR licensed the Spektrum Technology in order to get to market with 2.4 radios.

JR has now obviously decided to go their own way and build their radios with their own proprietary 2.4 DMSS technology. From this point forward the JR DMSS radios will no longer be compatible with any of the previous Spektrum/JR DSM2/DSMX radios.

Horizon appears to be cherry picking the JR line to limit competition with their house Spektrum brand. I doubt that will please JR in the long run.

How long will it be before JR finds a new North American distributor?


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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/19/2012 8:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I couple of years ago JR opted for a complete new design approach that alienated some customers. For Horizon it was the right decision to offer a more traditionally designed line of radios and/or keep some of the older JR designs in stock.
In the end we got more choices. That's nice.

Other form that DMSX and DMSS are very similar. Most of the JR/Spektrum gear comes from the same factory anyway.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/19/2012 1:04 PM   
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Spektrum is wholly owned by Horizon Hobby. JR is Japan Radio a completely separate company. Horizon is the sole North American distributor for JR products. JR licensed the Spektrum Technology in order to get to market with 2.4 radios.

JR has now obviously decided to go their own way and build their radios with their own proprietary 2.4 DMSS technology. From this point forward the JR DMSS radios will no longer be compatible with any of the previous Spektrum/JR DSM2/DSMX radios.

Horizon appears to be cherry picking the JR line to limit competition with their house Spektrum brand. I doubt that will please JR in the long run.

How long will it be before JR finds a new North American distributor?

I think you will find ice forming around the entrance to hell, before that happens.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/19/2012 3:06 PM   
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Other form that DMSX and DMSS are very similar. Most of the JR/Spektrum gear comes from the same factory anyway.


Spektrum users could only wish that were true
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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/20/2012 12:46 AM   
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the Spektrum programming beats the JR stuff- I have used many JR as well as all the Spektrum .
as for rx /servos - be careful - some come from the same places -

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 4/30/2012 10:24 PM   
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Status: online 		Everyone has there preference, but I do wonder if the JR and Spektrum receivers come off the same line. I do remember having to wait several months longer for JR 1222x while Spektrum had their's in stock...not sure if that was a licensing agreement to have a lag, or what...but it obviously didn't come over on the same boat.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/1/2012 1:30 PM   
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Zeeb JR never discontinued the 12Z MV HH decided not to inport them. You can still buy them outside the USA but not here

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/1/2012 6:18 PM   
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(Yeah, they are SO popular that JR discontinued the 12X MV (module version) after only a year due to weak sales and it was a modular radio capable of utilizing the full potential of the 2.4GHz band)

Zeeb JR never discontinued the 12Z MV HH decided not to inport them. You can still buy them outside the USA but not here

That is my point in a previous post about HH cherry picking JR's line. JR produces and sells it's entire line in their new 2.4 protocol. If one is not available through HH you have to buy offshore and warranty there. HH may not even accept it for paid service.

How many more indicators does one need to entertain an idea JR may be independent of HH in the near future. It is either that or JR is abandoning the US market to HH whims and I find that difficult to believe.


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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/1/2012 7:17 PM   
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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/1/2012 9:43 PM   
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Horizon is importing the new JR stuff, I just don't see that happening.

Correct for the new protocol, but not all models.


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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/2/2012 12:52 AM   
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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/2/2012 5:27 AM   
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We import what will sell, I think seeing us carry Hitec and JR DMSS in addition to Spektrum makes that pretty clear. The relationship with JR is stronger now than ever before, at least as I see it (from the inside).

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/2/2012 12:48 PM   
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We import what will sell, I think seeing us carry Hitec and JR DMSS in addition to Spektrum makes that pretty clear. The relationship with JR is stronger now than ever before, at least as I see it (from the inside).

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You have to first import and offer for sale before you know what will sale.

That would be a nice approach -for the buyers n tire kickers
In th real world - it is all about getting a return on monies invested and simply repeating basic product lines is risky.

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RE: JR and Spektrum radio confusion - 5/2/2012 3:48 PM   
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We import what will sell, I think seeing us carry Hitec and JR DMSS in addition to Spektrum makes that pretty clear. The relationship with JR is stronger now than ever before, at least as I see it (from the inside).

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You have to first import and offer for sale before you know what will sale.

That would be a nice approach -for the buyers n tire kickers
In th real world - it is all about getting a return on monies invested and simply repeating basic product lines is risky.



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