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Diesel - 4/16/2012 5:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?



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RE: Diesel - 4/16/2012 5:13 PM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/16/2012 6:26 PM   
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just not been brave enough to try it myself

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RE: Diesel - 4/16/2012 7:39 PM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/16/2012 7:48 PM   
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Status: online 		I can't speak for the other manufacturers, however lv been ruunning diesel in my K80 and k170 for well over a year with no issues.

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RE: Diesel - 4/16/2012 10:50 PM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 12:20 AM   
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Gary, I have 3 wheelie bins full of diesel !

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 3:36 AM   
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to be clear i'm not refering to Kingtech because they are made to run diesel.

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 8:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried bio diesel and wasnt really happy with it.  Diesel also makes a stickier mess than Kero/JetA when spilled.  

Anyone else tried biodiesel? 




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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 8:46 AM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 10:49 AM   
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So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?




They will all run rough! The P-20 will be the worst, will also run for least amount of time before the sooty Diesel cloggs the tiny needles with carbon deposits, the pump Diesel also has other additives for car use...JetCat for sure will offer no warrantee...
The combustion chamber needs to be re designed, fuel needles filters all need changes.



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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 10:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Wren ran perfect at 5448 ft with Diesel. I can fix it my self if needed, but I think it will be ok with the ULS Diesel in the states.

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 4:13 PM   
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So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?




They will all run rough! The P-20 will be the worst, will also run for least amount of time before the sooty Diesel cloggs the tiny needles with carbon deposits, the pump Diesel also has other additives for car use...JetCat for sure will offer no warrantee...
The combustion chamber needs to be re designed, fuel needles filters all need changes.




Then Jetcat needs to do just that. No big deal. Keep up to date.

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 4:51 PM   
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Highest grade Parafin, no smell or mess is cheaper...

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 4:58 PM   
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Nope Diesel is $9.24 a US (3.9ltr) Gallon....
Highest grade Parafin, no smell or mess is cheaper...


But you only need half the oil, if any in Diesel...

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 5:31 PM   
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Not for me...

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 5:38 PM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 8:08 PM   
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So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?




They will all run rough! The P-20 will be the worst, will also run for least amount of time before the sooty Diesel cloggs the tiny needles with carbon deposits, the pump Diesel also has other additives for car use...JetCat for sure will offer no warrantee...
The combustion chamber needs to be re designed, fuel needles filters all need changes.




From what I hear most engines run diesel just fine not rough at all but it's the long term use and how it will effect relaiblty that is the concern.

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RE: Diesel - 4/17/2012 11:23 PM   
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So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?




They will all run rough! The P-20 will be the worst, will also run for least amount of time before the sooty Diesel cloggs the tiny needles with carbon deposits, the pump Diesel also has other additives for car use...JetCat for sure will offer no warrantee...
The combustion chamber needs to be re designed, fuel needles filters all need changes.




From what I hear most engines run diesel just fine not rough at all but it's the long term use and how it will effect relaiblty that is the concern.

There's no reliability nor long term effect to be concern about with KingTech turbines running on Diesel. Today's Ultra Low Sulpher pump Diesel we have around the corner is a fantastic alternative fuel for our engines other than Kerosene, in fact, Diesel mixed with 3 to 5% oil is all we use.

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RE: Diesel - 4/18/2012 12:38 AM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/18/2012 1:13 AM   
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However, sense of smell is highly subjective, and personally I think Jet A is of all.


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RE: Diesel - 4/18/2012 4:28 AM   
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So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?




They will all run rough! The P-20 will be the worst, will also run for least amount of time before the sooty Diesel cloggs the tiny needles with carbon deposits, the pump Diesel also has other additives for car use...JetCat for sure will offer no warrantee...
The combustion chamber needs to be re designed, fuel needles filters all need changes.




From what I hear most engines run diesel just fine not rough at all but it's the long term use and how it will effect relaiblty that is the concern.

There's no reliability nor long term effect to be concern about with KingTech turbines running on Diesel. Today's Ultra Low Sulpher pump Diesel we have around the corner is a fantastic alternative fuel for our engines other than Kerosene, in fact, Diesel mixed with 3 to 5% oil is all we use.

Barry


Barry please read post #8 in this discussion. So far no one has said anything negtive about Kingtech or their ability to run diesel.

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RE: Diesel - 4/18/2012 6:53 AM   
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RE: Diesel - 4/18/2012 9:31 AM   
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So what's going to happen to a Jetcat P-20 P-120, Munts K90 K140 or Wren SS turbines if I run them on diesel & 5% oil ?




They will all run rough! The P-20 will be the worst, will also run for least amount of time before the sooty Diesel cloggs the tiny needles with carbon deposits, the pump Diesel also has other additives for car use...JetCat for sure will offer no warrantee...
The combustion chamber needs to be re designed, fuel needles filters all need changes.





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RE: Diesel - 4/18/2012 10:52 AM   
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Personally, I grew up on a farm and the last thing I want my jets to smell like is a John Deere! Lol


Guys out at the field are always very surprised when I tell them that have been burning diesel for a year and a half. My jets don't smell any different than the other guys using kero.
There is a big difference between the diesel of several years ago and the low sulfur diesel at the pumps today (at least here in the US)

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