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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 2:41 PM   
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What are my rights if any in this????


and the AMA laws...


Again, those few words speak volumes of what is wrong here.


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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 2:52 PM   
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No such thing as the "AMA laws". AMA has safety rules which apply to their members, and that is it. They do not apply to non-members and they are not "laws" in any manner of understanding. There is no enforcement action that can be taken now any penalty assessed for violation. Worse case is that in the event of an accident an AMA member may not be covered by the insurance if they are operation well outside the Safety Code.


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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 3:37 PM   
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They are abeam of 04 and approximately 4000 feet away. Some aircraft on downwind for 04 do fly over the field and some are even further out. There are also aircraft on a mid field entry to 22 that fly directly over the r/c field. I would say 04 is used about 25% of the time with 22 being the "main" runway. My only point is that here is a example of full scale and r/c coexisting.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 3:39 PM   
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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 4:34 PM   
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They are abeam of 04 and approximately 4000 feet away. Some aircraft on downwind for 04 do fly over the field and some are even further out. There are also aircraft on a mid field entry to 22 that fly directly over the r/c field. I would say 04 is used about 25% of the time with 22 being the ''main'' runway. My only point is that here is a example of full scale and r/c coexisting.



And I was not trying to say they did not. My point is that while many clubs fly at or near active F/S airport, the location is important. Again, the OP was right where planes would likely be making the turn to base. It is a busy airport (hence the tower). In addition, nobody knew he was there. Different situation from the one you pointed out.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 5:52 PM   
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Also, Florida Jets and Top Gun are 4 day events flown AT THE LAKELAND AIRPORT. The model guys coordinate with the Tower. Again, just saying...

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 6:06 PM   
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 Wonder how long they think U/C lines are ?? Just saying....



What if the C/L breaks?  How far could an uncontrolled plane fly in circles?  How high?



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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/23/2012 6:32 PM   
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I think we are on the same page.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/24/2012 12:25 AM   
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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/24/2012 10:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		My field is with in a mile of a small airport, and they know we are there. The difference is our field is AMA approved and airport approved, we have to fly with a spotter and full size planes have the right of way. This guy is just flying in some parking lot and mad becuse full size planes keep getting in his way. Yes AMA field are on airports, but thats not the issue here, lazyness is.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/24/2012 10:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Minor clarification. The AMA does not approve, sanction, charter, or otherwise pass any judgment or assign any status to a club flying site. About the only thing AMA is (was) concerned about was that club fields within 3 miles of each should have a frequency charing agreement, but with 2.4 I am not sure they even require that any longer.

The AMA will issue a certificate of insurance to the landowner of a AMA chartered club's flying site if the club requests it and pays the fee. But that should not be construed as approval per se of the field.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/24/2012 11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Silent, as far as I know, you have been correct about AMA safety guidelines and club field insurance.  However, there is one additional point.  The AMA has a special clause in their by-laws and has required all local clubs to also adopt this clause. A local club member can be booted for repeated and flagrant violations of club safety rules at the clubs flying field.  Additionally, an AMA member can be booted for repeated flagrant violations of AMA safety guidelines at AMA sanctioned events.  This applies to Local club and AMA members only since it can only affect them.


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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 1:26 AM   
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Silent, as far as I know, you have been correct about AMA safety guidelines and club field insurance.  However, there is one additional point.  The AMA has a special clause in their by-laws and has required all local clubs to also adopt this clause. A local club member can be booted for repeated and flagrant violations of club safety rules at the clubs flying field.  Additionally, an AMA member can be booted for repeated flagrant violations of AMA safety guidelines at AMA sanctioned events.  This applies to Local club and AMA members only since it can only affect them.


Could you give us a link to this requirment? I think you may have made it up.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 2:17 AM   
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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 6:43 AM   
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Could you give us a link to this requirment? I think you may have made it up. 


Classy! 

Our club has it in our bylaws, and if you bother to read yours it's probably there, too. 

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 1:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is much good in many post. Top Gun points out the few mandatory rules the AMA requires. Rules, bylaws, and other such things are easily forgotten until something happens. When a problem comes up there is a scramble to quote the rule book. Some people even want big brother to send in the troops to solve the current problem.
Thanks Top Gun. Even some of the people that were in on writing those rules you mentioned have forgotten them.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 2:27 PM   
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Silent, as far as I know, you have been correct about AMA safety guidelines and club field insurance.  However, there is one additional point.  The AMA has a special clause in their by-laws and has required all local clubs to also adopt this clause. A local club member can be booted for repeated and flagrant violations of club safety rules at the clubs flying field.  Additionally, an AMA member can be booted for repeated flagrant violations of AMA safety guidelines at AMA sanctioned events.  This applies to Local club and AMA members only since it can only affect them.




OK. That still does not change anything I have said. AMA does not approve flying sites.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 2:49 PM   
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Could you give us a link to this requirment? I think you may have made it up. 


Classy! 

Our club has it in our bylaws, and if you bother to read yours it's probably there, too. 

I have read them and its not there. I know that it is Suggested but it is not a requirement as stated by Johnshe.

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 3:39 PM   
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Could you give us a link to this requirment? I think you may have made it up. 


Classy! 

Our club has it in our bylaws, and if you bother to read yours it's probably there, too. 

I have read them and its not there. I know that it is Suggested but it is not a requirement as ststed by Johnshe.

While there may be an argument as to it being a "suggestion" or a "requirement" it certainly was not "made up".

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 3:52 PM   
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While there may be an argument as to it being a ''suggestion'' or a ''requirement'' it certainly was not ''made up''.

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Hmmm... There’s no argument about suggestion vs requirement... the “requirement” part was pulled out of...well you get the picture...

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 4:50 PM   
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While there may be an argument as to it being a ''suggestion'' or a ''requirement'' it certainly was not ''made up''.

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Hmmm... There’s no argument about suggestion vs requirement... the “requirement” part was pulled out of...well you get the picture...

If you are taking issue with "requirement" how about "Compulsory Bylaws for Clubs!" Re:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/535-a.pdf

Do you wish to discuss the meaning of "compulsory"?

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 4:56 PM   
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Silent, as far as I know, you have been correct about AMA safety guidelines and club field insurance.  However, there is one additional point.  The AMA has a special clause in their by-laws and has required all local clubs to also adopt this clause. A local club member can be booted for repeated and flagrant violations of club safety rules at the clubs flying field.  Additionally, an AMA member can be booted for repeated flagrant violations of AMA safety guidelines at AMA sanctioned events.  This applies to Local club and AMA members only since it can only affect them.


Could you give us a link to this requirment? I think you may have made it up.


www.modelaircraft.org/files/memanual.pdf

Page 23, article V.


www.modelaircraft.org/files/535-a.pdf

page 4, article XI

Read 'em and weep!

And, I resent the implication of your poor choice of words.





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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 5:17 PM   
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While there may be an argument as to it being a ''suggestion'' or a ''requirement'' it certainly was not ''made up''.

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Hmmm... There’s no argument about suggestion vs requirement... the “requirement” part was pulled out of...well you get the picture...

If you are taking issue with ''requirement'' how about ''Compulsory Bylaws for Clubs!'' Re:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/535-a.pdf

Do you wish to discuss the meaning of ''compulsory''?

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This claim is absurd. Although the AMA document does have a heading saying "compulsory bylaws," the text clearly says that the provisions about sacking unsafe members are strongly suggested. That isn't "required" by anyone's definition, and finding the phrase "compulsory bylaws" elsewhere doesn't change it. What the AMA was trying to say in its somewhat inept way was that it's compulsory for clubs to have bylaws, and to send a copy to the AMA, and that it's recommended ("strongly") that the bylaws include a particular provision. It is not possible to read "strongly suggest" as meaning "require."

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 5:23 PM   
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Could you give us a link to this requirment? I think you may have made it up. 


Classy! 

Our club has it in our bylaws, and if you bother to read yours it's probably there, too. 

I have read them and its not there. I know that it is Suggested but it is not a requirement as ststed by Johnshe.

Are you saying that your club does not have any of the articles listed below?

Articles 3: Resignation, Termination, Disciplinary Action, Expulsion and Reinstatement of Membership;
Article 9: Dissolution
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Article 11: Grievance Procedure (Flight and Ground Safety Rules)

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RE: flying close to small airport Police on the scene - 4/25/2012 5:34 PM   
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While there may be an argument as to it being a ''suggestion'' or a ''requirement'' it certainly was not ''made up''.

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Hmmm... There’s no argument about suggestion vs requirement... the “requirement” part was pulled out of...well you get the picture...

If you are taking issue with ''requirement'' how about ''Compulsory Bylaws for Clubs!'' Re:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/535-a.pdf

Do you wish to discuss the meaning of ''compulsory''?

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This claim is absurd. Although the AMA document does have a heading saying ''compulsory bylaws,'' the text clearly says that the provisions about sacking unsafe members are strongly suggested. That isn't ''required'' by anyone's definition, and finding the phrase ''compulsory bylaws'' elsewhere doesn't change it. What the AMA was trying to say in its somewhat inept way was that it's compulsory for clubs to have bylaws, and to send a copy to the AMA, and that it's recommended (''strongly'') that the bylaws include a particular provision. It is not possible to read ''strongly suggest'' as meaning ''require.''

Al,
Not sure if you are responding to me or littlecrankshaf but I agree with you. Merely trying to point out that it was not "pulled out of...well you get the picture..."

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