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Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/22/2012 4:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		 I've decided that my next plane will be the TF 60 sized Corsair Kit (not the ARF), but I don't want to spend several hundred on Robart retracts. What are the alternatives that won't break the bank?

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/22/2012 8:54 PM   
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Status: online 		Ultimately the choice is yours but I would definitely recommend against building a model such as the TF Corsair and then skimping on the retracts. In my opinion the Robarts are actually the "cheap" alternative and my recommendation would be for the Sierra Precision retracts for this model. In my experience skimping on the retracts will only result in more costs in the long run in time and money spent on repairs. Not to mention that having unreliable retracts completely removes the fun from flying an airplane like the Corsair and having to constantly make repairs is very discouraging. My .02 cents of course.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/22/2012 9:52 PM   
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/22/2012 10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is sort of funny. I have been reading and looking at some of the, I know it is sacrilegious, but the foam Corsairs that come with the electric retracts. I have been reading about them and the updates to how they are made. I have held off because of the hit or miss on the retracts working of failing. I thought about buying just the air frame and putting better servos, motors, ESC and all of that in it to make it reliable.

Well I was given a TF RED box Corsair this weekend. The fuse is about 1/3 complete. It was not built to bad, not the way I would have done it but not bad. The tail feathers are complete less final sanding and covering. Wing has not been touched. So, I started looking for recommended retracts for my new to me plane. I have not found any super duper heavy duty electric retracts for a 60 sized plane. Seems they work OK for a 40 sized plane. But when you hit 8, 9, 10, 11 pounds they seem to fail.

I do like the idea of the easy setup with the electric retracts. Single wire from Rx to retract and that is it.

I will be reading more as this thread hopefully grows with lots of good information.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/23/2012 1:23 AM   
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the TF 60 size corsair builds heavy

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/23/2012 3:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am in full agreement with Chad. Altho I DO like electric retracts, there are no good ones for a 10 lb (= or -) Corsair. Same cannot be said of the P-40. One of the issues with Corsairs is the NEED for mounting retracts very close to the leading edge. The electric that I have seen (icluding Lado) just do not have a low enough profile.
I too have the Top Flite Corsair ARF, and would LOVE to find a good set of electric retracts to use instead of the Robart 615s, but since none are avaialbel to suit my needs, I'll stick with the 615s.
To go cheap on retracts is a mistake.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/23/2012 4:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		All good replys; Thanks.

I've looked at many (not all) alternatives. I've looked at 'down and locked', Lado, eFlite,  Wingspan, ESM; and all solutions cost more than the plane. I agree going 'cheap' is not accepatable. However, I have a problem paying more for the gear than for the plane. This just doesn't seem right to me. I will continue to do my due diligence and report back.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/23/2012 9:22 PM   
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Status: online 		What you will discover is that while the Model is inexpensive the retracts are not. There is a point where the kit becomes more expensive than the gear but not until you get into the larger models.

So you are left with a choice, expensive gear and small model or, bigger model with the same expensive gear.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/23/2012 10:06 PM   
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 1:16 AM   
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I have a problem paying more for the gear than for the plane. This just doesn't seem right to me. I will continue to do my due diligence and report back.


I am in no way picking on you sprgfvr but I have seen this same thing, or very nearly the same, posted numerous times on various web sites and I don't really understand it. A good set of reliable and durable retracts requires skilled labor and expensive machinery to produce. On top of that I don't imagine that even the best selling retracts are sold in huge quantities, at least compared to things like engines and radios anyway. And a good set of retracts is (or should be) just as important as a quality engine and quality radio components when planning a project such as the TF Corsair. I guess many folks consider retracts as just an accessory rather than as an important and integral part of the complete package. I'll bet the manufacturers of full size aircraft don't see it that way! Just my perspective of course and others may disagree. Whatever you decide I wish you nothing but success with your Corsair and I can offer that the TF bird is an impressive looking and nice flying warbird when built properly.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 1:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I understand your point. However, most people do not understand mine. It is budget related. If I could afford $300+ for the best I would get them in a heart beat. I can't. I tend to look for the best deals I can get when I look for particular products. I'm not brand oriented. I want quality at a reasonable price. It's that simple. I hope you can understand.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 2:40 AM   
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 3:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll agree with Chad again, but will add:
MOST of us (if not all) are NOT what one might call 'loaded (with money)'. Money is tight for a LOT of us, and we don't like spending any more than we have to. So if you think you are the only one here that want's to save a few bucks, it is YOU that doesn't understand.

There's the old saying: "you get what you pay for", and in the case of retracts: the cost of buying cheap ones will eventually catch up. Models become damaged when retracts fail.

But, there's also another saying: "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". So if you are set on saving a few bucks on retracts, GOOD LUCK!

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 4:31 AM   
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I just picked up a 1/5 scale EPO P40 , the only reason I am posting this is because the plane is light and it should surfice in a 1/6 scale Corsair .
The retracts cost $55 for a set and $60 to ship ems from LX -RC Models .
On RC groups under eletric warbirds in the Banana Hobby Massive P40 thread you can see video in flight on a landing (really hard landing ) and they work great .
Long term the verdict is out but for now and your budget they may work .

You can also look at the RC Lander brand , typically run you $79 to $99 .
I am testing a 80 degree non-rotating set out and the struts are great as well as the drive train .
Some play in one of the retracts and RC Lander is sending me a replacement free of charge .
RC lander is also sold under the Turnegy brand by Hobby King but they dont have the rotating ones in stock at Hobby King , you can try RC Castle or PWRC

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 5:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		What part of 'I want quality' did you not understand?

Obviously this was a waste of my time. I'm outa here. 

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 10:21 AM   
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Ok, let’s be real, just like the others who have commented and have incredible experience on RCU, you do get what you pay for and in reality if your budget is limited at this time you may simply want to rethink retracts as they are a luxury, not a necessity, so yes you are correct, you have absolutely wasted our time.
I suggest you take you attitude, put to good use working some extra job, and you can solve this problem with good old American Hard work.
I am fortunate to make a good income , however I have the opportunity to make extra cash and it requires two nights a week extra work outside of my 60 hour work week, the extra cash is all RC money , then I don’t have to create post and insult and or challenge others to create retracts that does not exist . It’s about being uncomfortable, and those that can choose this don’t have to compromise.
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 2:18 PM  1 votes
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What part of 'I want quality' did you not understand?

Obviously this was a waste of my time. I'm outa here. 


wow...kids theses days.


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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 2:32 PM   
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 5:13 PM   
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This is why disposable income is important to be involved.

I wish I had disposable income! I wouldn't have to wait so long to build my airplanes until I've saved enough money to build them!

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 5:17 PM   
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Quality= money in this hobby.

This is why disposable income is important to be involved.

I wish I had disposable income! I wouldn't have to wait so long to build my airplanes until I've saved enough money to build them! I've have a TF warbird in the wait for a year and a half now. I am still waiting to upgrade my radio before I start to build it.

I won't touch it until I have what it needs to be successful.

And the gamble is that I could still crash it on the maiden flight. How bad do I want it? BAD!

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 5:53 PM   
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 6:09 PM   
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 I've decided that my next plane will be the TF 60 sized Corsair Kit (not the ARF), but I don't want to spend several hundred on Robart retracts. What are the alternatives that won't break the bank?

Maybe you should decide on a different plane to build that doesn't require retracts... Listen to what everyone is saying. I'm building the same plane but am at a stand still until I can come up with the money for retracts.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 7:40 PM   
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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 7:47 PM  1 votes
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I understand your point. However, most people do not understand mine. It is budget related. If I could afford $300+ for the best I would get them in a heart beat. I can't. I tend to look for the best deals I can get when I look for particular products. I'm not brand oriented. I want quality at a reasonable price. It's that simple. I hope you can understand.


I understand that you want a quality product but you don't want to pay what quality costs. If you find it, and I hope you do, please let the rest of us in on it because I assure you that we all would like to get good stuff for next to nothing. On the off chance that you can't find a retract that is both high quality and "reasonable" as it fits your definition then my advice is still to spend more rather than less, even if it means you have to save for while. I truly believe that doing so will, in the long run, cost you less in both frustration and in actual monies spent. What bigger waste of your resources could there be then to end up with an airplane that you can't fly because it doesn't work? If you can't afford new then one option may be to watch the classifieds for a set of used gear in good condition. It may take a while but there is a good chance you will find what you are looking for.

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RE: Corsair retracts other than Robarts? - 4/24/2012 9:53 PM   
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My last post got lost in the bit bucket for some reason. I agree with your logic. I have two choices; buy something else or buy the Corsair and wait until I save enough for the retracts. I have no intention to buy something 'cheap' as one person said. I also would prefer to buy new and avoid 'used' issues.

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