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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 1:27 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 1:47 PM   
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This is a brand new Spektrum AR8000 8-Channel DSMX Receiver.


I got this in the box with my DX7s. I am using the AR7200BX for my T-Rex500EFL.
Good luck, Thanks for looking.



My personal experience would have told me what was going on, I can see where the purchaser, without extensive Spektrum/JR experience would have felt duped. While he technically provided the information, the way it was presented was a pretty big assumption of knowlege on the sellers part

Had it been me I would have said in clear terms that it didn't include a remote, that it wouldn't bind until the person buying it purchased one, and it needed a DSMX remote to work correctly.

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 4:49 PM   
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give the guys a break- They really don't understand (or want to understand) why 2.4 works and what issues can cause problems with it.
Easier to make comments founded on hearsay.


Certainly no ill intent meant...just kidding around some and trying to provide some mental humor

It is certainly true that it is not hard to make comments on hearsay and not getting all the facts together. So often assumption is allowed to over rule before all the evidence is in. I work in Info Technology and I know this all too well

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 5:12 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 5:21 PM   
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Another scam on eBay that I just got burned by is that Spektrum AR8000 receivers are useless without their satellite receiver. Found that out after I stupidly bid on one and purchased it, for a higher price than I paid for two other complete ones. Of course his ad did not mention that the receiver would not WORK AT ALL without the satellite receiver.

It appears that people are taking the satellite receiver and are plugging it into their 3-axis gyro (BeastX, etc), and then are dumping the useless AR8000 receiver by itself on eBay to unsuspecting buyers like me.

AR8000 won't work without satellite
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1537124

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http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=284093

More confirmation
http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/spektrum/63266-ar8000-without-satellite.html

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Just dump that spectrum JUNK and buy something that doesn't need Satallites. That would be any other brand, and all others HOP ...


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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 5:39 PM   
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Another scam on eBay that I just got burned by is that Spektrum AR8000 receivers are useless without their satellite receiver. Found that out after I stupidly bid on one and purchased it, for a higher price than I paid for two other complete ones. Of course his ad did not mention that the receiver would not WORK AT ALL without the satellite receiver.

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It appears you already own some of the said receivers (based on your quote above). Shouldn't you be at least aware of its capiblities if you already own the same product?


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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 5:56 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 7:11 PM   
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on the same note the 7000 wont work without sat just fyi for anyone that doesnt know it yet. i love spectrum sats plugged into the fbl boxes less weight less wire mess. i have a futaba 7c fast and hate it  its overpriced for 1 and isnt anymore special than the dx7.

Futaba costs what it does because it doesn't loose bind and contact like Spectrum does.  Just count the number of Loss of radio control for the different radio systems and Spectrum/JR has way more than it's share.


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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 7:22 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/26/2012 7:36 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/27/2012 12:22 AM   
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Futaba costs what it does because it doesn't loose bind and contact like Spectrum does.  Just count the number of Loss of radio control for the different radio systems and Spectrum/JR has way more than it's share.




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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/27/2012 2:02 AM   
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Futaba costs what it does because it doesn't loose bind and contact like Spectrum does.  Just count the number of Loss of radio control for the different radio systems and Spectrum/JR has way more than it's share.





Futaba has nothing to do with this thread. This is just Brand Zealot BS.

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/27/2012 7:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I own some of the receivers, but I had no reason to attempt to use them without the satellite receiver. Did you think of trying that with yours?

Guess I'm just supposed to know, even though the manual doesn't tell me so. Reminds me of dealing with my wife.

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Another scam on eBay that I just got burned by is that Spektrum AR8000 receivers are useless without their satellite receiver. Found that out after I stupidly bid on one and purchased it, for a higher price than I paid for two other complete ones. Of course his ad did not mention that the receiver would not WORK AT ALL without the satellite receiver.

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It appears you already own some of the said receivers (based on your quote above). Shouldn't you be at least aware of its capiblities if you already own the same product?




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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 4/27/2012 9:45 PM   
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Guess I'm just supposed to know, even though the manual doesn't tell me so. Reminds me of dealing with my wife.



I got a good laugh out of this one..

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/6/2012 6:32 PM   
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I was wrong. Looking over my purchasing history, the prices were about the same for all three AR8000 receivers, within $10 or so.

Even with having to purchase a satellite receiver, my average price for these three AR8000s delivered to my house will be around $100/ea. If I look at it that way, I'm not so pissed, given their list price

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 This is a lot of heartache to save $25 over a new unit. 
Sorry but live and learn. I have done it. You need to read the auctions really closely.
It is someone wanting to sell you something and get max price. They will always forget to tell you the things that fall into the grey areas. 



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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/6/2012 6:50 PM   
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I was wrong. Looking over my purchasing history, the prices were about the same for all three AR8000 receivers, within $10 or so.

Even with having to purchase a satellite receiver, my average price for these three AR8000s delivered to my house will be around $100/ea. If I look at it that way, I'm not so pissed, given their list price

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 This is a lot of heartache to save $25 over a new unit. 
Sorry but live and learn. I have done it. You need to read the auctions really closely.
It is someone wanting to sell you something and get max price. They will always forget to tell you the things that fall into the grey areas. 

(3) Hitec Optima 9 - 9-Channel 2.4GHz Receiver Aurora US $194.95 = $65 each on Ebay and they don't need no stinking satellites and they don't just loose bind or connection for no apperant reason either.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Hitec-Optima-9-9-Channel-2-4GHz-Receiver-Aurora-/390286221478?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5adedf20a6




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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/6/2012 6:59 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/6/2012 8:36 PM   
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The contribution is that there are much better sytems that don't do stupid things and don't have all th baggage of spectrum.
1. UNBINDING
2. Dirt Diving for no reason (Loss of Link)
3. Need multipul  receviers (Sateellites)
4. uses only 2 of 80 channells with old receivers
5. on and on and on ... too many issues to debate.  Sorry
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That doesn't help him much w/o a Hitec transmitter eh?

That pretty much contributes nothing to the thread no matter how big you make the font.

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/20/2012 4:30 AM   
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on the same note the 7000 wont work without sat just fyi for anyone that doesnt know it yet. i love spectrum sats plugged into the fbl boxes less weight less wire mess. i have a futaba 7c fast and hate it  its overpriced for 1 and isnt anymore special than the dx7.

Futaba costs what it does because it doesn't loose bind and contact like Spectrum does.  Just count the number of Loss of radio control for the different radio systems and Spectrum/JR has way more than it's share.




You have to take in to consideration, that there is 10 times as many Spectrum systems on the market.

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/20/2012 5:23 PM   
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on the same note the 7000 wont work without sat just fyi for anyone that doesnt know it yet. i love spectrum sats plugged into the fbl boxes less weight less wire mess. i have a futaba 7c fast and hate it  its overpriced for 1 and isnt anymore special than the dx7.

Futaba costs what it does because it doesn't loose bind and contact like Spectrum does.  Just count the number of Loss of radio control for the different radio systems and Spectrum/JR has way more than it's share.

Most modelers buy te cheaet crap Then wonders what happened when it malfunctions. I've seen time and time again ... Guys standing there looking at their Spectrum radio and wonder why the plane just flew into the ground when they had no control of it what's so ever.  If DSM2 was any good Spectrum would not of made the DSMX ... DSM2 was the first out and it's old technolegy. Simple as that.


You have to take in to consideration, that there is 10 times as many Spectrum systems on the market.



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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/20/2012 8:40 PM   
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You have to take in to consideration, that there is 10 times as many Spectrum systems on the market.
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/20/2012 9:34 PM   
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In one club I was in (before moving to IL) there was only one guy flying Futaba, one Hitec, and everybody else JR. In the other club back there it was about 2/3 JR/Spektrum and the rest Futaba except for a handful (2-3) of Hitec.

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/20/2012 10:10 PM   
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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/21/2012 1:54 AM   
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I once bought an engine for a Suzuki Hayabusa off ebay, and when it arrived, I discovered that it wouldn't get me to work unless it was in a bike! I was fuming, I'd been scammed! I immediately filed a Paypal claim, but Paypal decided in the scammer's favour!!!

Joking aside... Chris... are you serious? You bought something that you had no clue about and blamed the seller? If you bought a nitro heli that was advertised as having no engine, would you call the seller a scammer and file a Paypal claim when you found out it wouldn't fly?

It's not the seller's fault you didn't know what you were buying... I've never heard anything so ridiculous!

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RE: Spektrum AR8000 useless without satellite - 5/21/2012 12:57 PM   
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You have to take in to consideration, that there is 10 times as many Spectrum systems on the market.

A bit overstated, wouldn't you say?
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Overstated - not from what I see.
The 100 to one is more like what is evident here .
and the talk about the Spektrum being low end equipment -could not be further off the mark.
Spektrum sells better because the users like it. It is better suited to current trends and interests
Just that simple

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