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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/3/2012 9:47 PM   
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Apparently they are having major problems with the version2 electric retracts. Seems the motors put to much pressure on itself at the end of travel and strips out the gears. They have wroked with ESM and gotten them to expedite an version3 that is suppose to be here end of May. So if you are having problems or start to have problems suggest you get a hold of your dealer and get on a replacement list. In the mean time you are pretty much out of luck if something goes wrong.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/4/2012 4:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow... you would think some actual TESTING other than a quick " it's working" would be done on these units. One guy at the factory doing a couple days worth of in-service testing is all that is needed. Pneumatics are still looking good for now!

I am starting to think hard about building my own gear now, using gear motors from servo city or something.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/4/2012 11:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		the story is if you buy the ESM retracts we can ONLY get the new Electric versions, they have stopped making or supplying the old AIR systems, they had a few hassles, but they could be fixed, but it sounds like the new ones are replacement only.
can air cylinders be fitted into the new electric retracts, or are they a totally different design. does anyone else make retracts to fit the new Sea Fury
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/5/2012 3:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Century Jet makes retracts for just about any size Sea Fury including KMP which is now ESM. They will also begin to sell electric retracts and conversion kits next month. Good Luck.

Here is a link to the Sea Fury page at Century Jet.

http://centuryjet.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=sea+fury&x=14&y=11

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/7/2012 7:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ordered and received an ESM Bearcat ARF (72" wingspan) and also ordered/received the ESM Electric Retracts for the Bearcat. Using a 6.0 volt 2000 mah Nimh receiver battery I plugged the ESM electric retracts into the retract channel. Both motors are on and I didn't flip the retract switch. Retracts are not moving while the motors are spinning. Tested the retract channel using other servos, works ok.

Called Tomas at VQ and he sent me another set. The new set works fine.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/23/2012 7:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		They can quit at any moment. You need to get your name on the list for V3 replacement when they get here. The V2's are defective and any one of the gear can malfunction at any time.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 5/23/2012 7:12 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/18/2012 10:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		any (good) news with the V2 , V3 ????

i would like to order the esm F8F, but i'm confiused .....with ore without the elec retracts.....?


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/18/2012 3:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not know what happened to the version 3 retracts. they promised they would get back to me around the end of July, I never heard from them. By then it didn't matter because I had already waited two months and ended up ordering Lado motors to replace the ESM's at another $300 for three motors. the Lado's have worked great. The ESM's are just cheap chinese crap copies of the Lado. As with many of these cheap copies you are crazy if you don't wait for the third or fourth version to come out after they have worked out all the bugs at the users expense!

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/18/2012 3:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		i prefer electric retracts , no air for me,so i would go for the lado retracts...

since I haven't  bought any retracts jet , I can go for the R333 from lado....
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/18/2012 3:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's been 4 months since I last talked with TBM about the ESM version 3 updates and at that time I was told the V3 would be there any day . Still waiting for V3 upgrades for 2 sets of Bearcat gear.
I have not been able to fly for a few months because of back surgery but I would still like my gear issues resolved .


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/18/2012 7:32 PM   
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I ordered and received an ESM Bearcat ARF (72'' wingspan) and also ordered/received the ESM Electric Retracts for the Bearcat. Using a 6.0 volt 2000 mah Nimh receiver battery I plugged the ESM electric retracts into the retract channel. Both motors are on and I didn't flip the retract switch. Retracts are not moving while the motors are spinning. Tested the retract channel using other servos, works ok.

Called Tomas at VQ and he sent me another set. The new set works fine.



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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/19/2012 9:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		one question guys., before i buy the whole package.....

how many years do you need to land this baby?

our field is about 230 feet long....so not verry long...;but is it long enough?

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/20/2012 12:20 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/20/2012 1:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juweeltje

one question guys., before i buy the whole package.....

how many years do you need to land this baby?

our field is about 230 feet long....so not verry long...;but is it long enough?


You might have more luck getting an answer if you search for a thread on the particular model you are looking at. This thread is mainly about the retracts, not about the individual models. Most of the guys on this thread will not have had experience with the model you are looking at, so won't be able to help you. If you find a more specific thread I am sure someone who has flown that model will be able to help you out.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 9/22/2012 6:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am so pissed I can't breath. This whole ESM fiasco with their crap gear has just been too much. I didn't fly all summer. when I had stopped flying I was told by TBM that a new corrected V3 of these retracts would be available end of June and they would repalce my bad gear. Well I never heard a word from them. In the mean time I had purchased Lado motors and had adopted them to the ESM gear. This was supposed to work. I just started flying again and this morning the Lado gear bound up and would not work properly. this was not the fault of the Lado motors - the proposed retrofit just doesn't work. So I am now going on six months with a plane that has not had more than three successful flights in dozens of attempts. I'm going to call TBM Monday and see what is going on. but anyone that buys these cheap crappy chinese electric gear is crazy; and I don't care if you have them and they are working or not. buying these things is a 50-50 crapshoot, never do it again.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 2:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		So has anyone got there hands on a set of V3 electrics yet? If so are they working ( in flight not just on the bench ) or are they no better than the early versions?

If they don't work I don't want them, even if they do work but you can only use light foam wheels I don't want them.

I like the concept of electric ( and have used home - made electric very successfully ) but I have no patients for cr@p that does not work.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 2:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope that I can comment on the V3 upgrades soon . I just received a message from TBM that they have the V3 upgrades and should be returning my upgraded retracts to me soon.
Keeping my fingers crossed on this one . Wish me luck...


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 2:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man o man, sounds like lot of crap to go through, why not just use air retracts, they can be problem enough without going to electrics for more punishment on setting up ?.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 3:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Electrics when designed and built right and properly set up are set & forget. That's the problem with air - I forget to put air in It's because I have done thousands of flights with mechanical ( in F3A ) and electric ( in a warbird ) retracts so air is not part of my routine.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 4:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once the bugs are worked out the electrics will be a much better system than the air . It wasn't that long ago most glow guys were snearing at the electric flyers but through percevierence electrics have come a long way and so shall electric retracts. I hope......


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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 4:15 PM   
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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 6:42 PM   
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Man o man, sounds like lot of crap to go through, why not just use air retracts, they can be problem enough without going to electrics for more punishment on setting up ?.



Our hope is for the electric retract retailers to benefit from these discussions and realize what needs to be done to supply the market.

There is obviously a problem in the present marketplace. It appears the electrics being sold today missed a few steps most products experience.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/5/2012 8:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my multiple discussions with TBM over the last few weeks, I try to keep reiterating to them how big the potential profit is once someone comes out with reliable and tough electric retracts that are under $250. They have claimed quite a few times that the Gen3'x arrival is imminent and testing has proven them out, but I won't believe it until I have a set in my hands and I can actually land my plane with the gear down. I've been disappointed too much so far to get my hopes up.

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RE: Do you have ESM Electric Retracts? - 10/6/2012 12:33 AM   
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